Zooming tools reversed in dope sheet and graph editor #32753

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Beorn Leonard · 2012-10-04T12:32:31+02:00

Beorn Leonard commented

2012-10-04 12:32:31 +02:00

%%%In Blender 2.64 suddenly the zoom navigation tools have been reversed to the anti-tintuitive left/down to increase and right/up to decrease.
This is really annoying to experienced users, breaking consistency with previous blender versions, and there seems to be no real reason for it.%%%

%%%In Blender 2.64 suddenly the zoom navigation tools have been reversed to the anti-tintuitive left/down to increase and right/up to decrease. This is really annoying to experienced users, breaking consistency with previous blender versions, and there seems to be no real reason for it.%%%

Beorn Leonard commented

2012-10-04 12:32:31 +02:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

Joshua Leung commented

2012-10-04 13:15:49 +02:00

%%%I recall there was a brief discussion in IRC between Sergey and Campbell where the discussion went something along the lines of:

Graph Editor and a few other editors were inconsistent with Nodes Editor or something like that (IIRC, there might've been a bug report on this too)
We assume that users do not really know which way to move mouse to zoom, and will just move mouse in whatever direction until it looks like what they intent
Therefore, let's make them all work the same way

Checking this myself just now, the new behaviour does seem quite disturbing and hard to control.%%%

%%%I recall there was a brief discussion in IRC between Sergey and Campbell where the discussion went something along the lines of: - Graph Editor and a few other editors were inconsistent with Nodes Editor or something like that (IIRC, there might've been a bug report on this too) - We assume that users do not really know which way to move mouse to zoom, and will just move mouse in whatever direction until it looks like what they intent - Therefore, let's make them all work the same way Checking this myself just now, the new behaviour does seem quite disturbing and hard to control.%%%

Beorn Leonard commented

2012-10-04 13:27:57 +02:00

%%%It really is disturbing, and frankly, Sergey an Cam don't animate all that much.

I understand this is to make it more consistent with the 3d view, but the graph editor is a very different interface from the 3d view and the node editor. Also, many people wouldn't have noticed any previous inconsistency, since it's easier to use the scroll wheel for zooming in most cases. Only in the graph editor, which allows asymmetrical zooming, is the Ctrl-MMB combo strictly necessary.

This change actually breaks consistency with most other interfaces; left/down to increase and right/up to decrease is different from all sliders and spinners in all apps and widget sets, as well as zoom and scroll controls on tablets. This is NOT just about muscle memory from previous versions.

Can we please change it back to a more sane configuration, or at the very least have it as a user pref setting?
%%%

%%%It really is disturbing, and frankly, Sergey an Cam don't animate all that much. I understand this is to make it more consistent with the 3d view, but the graph editor is a very different interface from the 3d view and the node editor. Also, many people wouldn't have noticed any previous inconsistency, since it's easier to use the scroll wheel for zooming in most cases. Only in the graph editor, which allows asymmetrical zooming, is the Ctrl-MMB combo strictly necessary. This change actually breaks consistency with most other interfaces; left/down to increase and right/up to decrease is different from all sliders and spinners in all apps and widget sets, as well as zoom and scroll controls on tablets. This is NOT just about muscle memory from previous versions. Can we please change it back to a more sane configuration, or at the very least have it as a user pref setting? %%%

Sergey Sharybin commented

2012-10-04 16:58:20 +02:00

%%%Beorn, the original issue was inconsistent in zoom between 3d viewport and node editor which is now behaves uniformly. This indeed inversed zoom in some other editors too.

Would enabling "Inverse Zoom" in user preferences make blender behaves exactly the way you expect this? The issue here we wouldn't be able to find nice defaults which will satisfy everybody, but we can add some more settings to user prefs if it's indeed needed.%%%

%%%Beorn, the original issue was inconsistent in zoom between 3d viewport and node editor which is now behaves uniformly. This indeed inversed zoom in some other editors too. Would enabling "Inverse Zoom" in user preferences make blender behaves exactly the way you expect this? The issue here we wouldn't be able to find nice defaults which will satisfy everybody, but we can add some more settings to user prefs if it's indeed needed.%%%

Beorn Leonard commented

2012-10-08 00:28:27 +02:00

%%%It is no longer consistent with the scroll wheel (where up = increase zoom)

Yeah, changing the preference does indeed return it to the sane configuration, however...

Anyone with a scroll wheel doesn't use the Ctrl drag combo to zoom. The only place the Ctrl drag is need is in the graph editor, which zooms asymmetrically. So basically the only people this change effects is animators. I guarantee you that animators will not like this at all. Meanwhile, If you change it the other way most people wont notice.%%%

%%%It is no longer consistent with the scroll wheel (where up = increase zoom) Yeah, changing the preference does indeed return it to the sane configuration, however... Anyone with a scroll wheel doesn't use the Ctrl drag combo to zoom. The only place the Ctrl drag is need is in the graph editor, which zooms asymmetrically. So basically the only people this change effects is animators. I guarantee you that animators will not like this at all. Meanwhile, If you change it the other way most people wont notice.%%%

Beorn Leonard commented

2012-10-09 18:20:17 +02:00

%%%Sergey,
Perhaps Blender has always been inconsistent between the scroll wheel and Ctrl LMB in the viewport, but nobody noticed because most people use one or the other, but not both.
However, the graph editor is the one place where you can't avoid Ctrl dragging to zoom, and so the inconsistency is more obvious there.%%%

%%%Sergey, Perhaps Blender has always been inconsistent between the scroll wheel and Ctrl LMB in the viewport, but nobody noticed because most people use one or the other, but not both. However, the graph editor is the one place where you can't avoid Ctrl dragging to zoom, and so the inconsistency is more obvious there.%%%

Sergey Sharybin commented

2012-10-09 18:35:30 +02:00

%%%Beorn, we spent some time with Campbell and Sebastian making things convenient here.

If you're familiar with applying patch, please go ahead and test patch from the attachments. Otherwise we can create test build and see if it's fine with you (for this we'll need to know which OS you're using)

Basically that patch is about making zoom in all areas aware of Inverse Zoom option, making drag-zoom zooming in the same direction as wheel zoom, making pinch zoom also be consistent.%%%

%%%Beorn, we spent some time with Campbell and Sebastian making things convenient here. If you're familiar with applying patch, please go ahead and test patch from the attachments. Otherwise we can create test build and see if it's fine with you (for this we'll need to know which OS you're using) Basically that patch is about making zoom in all areas aware of Inverse Zoom option, making drag-zoom zooming in the same direction as wheel zoom, making pinch zoom also be consistent.%%%

Sergey Sharybin commented

2012-10-14 09:03:59 +02:00

%%%Beorn, drag-zoom behavior was changed in trunk and now it should match your expectations.
Thanks for the report, and think it could finally be closed.%%%

%%%Beorn, drag-zoom behavior was changed in trunk and now it should match your expectations. Thanks for the report, and think it could finally be closed.%%%

Sergey Sharybin commented

2012-10-14 09:04:00 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'

Sergey Sharybin closed this issue

2012-10-14 09:04:00 +02:00

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Zooming tools reversed in dope sheet and graph editor #32753