The Graph Editor doesn't show any curve of the Armature (if in Pose mode, but armature unselected, with box/circle/lasso tools) #81922

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Alexis Pautrot · 2020-10-21T14:41:55+02:00

Alexis Pautrot commented

2020-10-21 14:41:55 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows 10 PRO
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M

Blender Version
Broken: v2.83.0

Short description of error
The Graph Editor doesn't show any curve of the selected Armature, in Pose mode, whatever Bone selection is made.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

Open the provided .blend
Select and deselect bones (using Box / Lasso / Circle in the 3D view)
Notice that no curves are displayed in the Graph Editor (bottom pane), whatever the Bones's selection, which is NOT expected.
Click twice the "Only Show Selected" button (in Graph Editor, 1st button on left of the buttons in the upper right corner of the pane).
Select and deselect bones
Notice that now curves are displayed accordingly to the selection, as expected.

The Only Show Selected state seems to be broken, until we un-activate then reactivate it.

[Flying Man.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F9027915/Flying_Man.blend) **System Information** Operating system: Windows 10 PRO Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M **Blender Version** Broken: v2.83.0 **Short description of error** The Graph Editor doesn't show any curve of the selected Armature, in Pose mode, whatever Bone selection is made. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** 1) Open the provided .blend 2) Select and deselect bones (using Box / Lasso / Circle in the 3D view) Notice that no curves are displayed in the Graph Editor (bottom pane), whatever the Bones's selection, which is NOT expected. 3) Click twice the "Only Show Selected" button (in Graph Editor, 1st button on left of the buttons in the upper right corner of the pane). 4) Select and deselect bones Notice that now curves are displayed accordingly to the selection, as expected. The Only Show Selected state seems to be broken, until we un-activate then reactivate it.

Alexis Pautrot commented

2020-10-21 14:41:55 +02:00

Added subscriber: @AlexisPautrot

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-10-22 09:56:38 +02:00

Added subscriber: @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-10-22 09:56:38 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs User Info'

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-10-22 09:56:38 +02:00

Cannot reproduce here

**System Information**
Operating system: Linux-5.8.4-200.fc32.x86_64-x86_64-with-fedora-32-Thirty_Two 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 970M/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 450.66
version: 2.92.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2020-10-21 19:21, hash: `rBd7e3b3aed0a7`

A bit of a step in the dark:

Have you checked this with File > Defaults > Load Factory Settings?
Are GPU drivers up to date?
Have you checked this in 2.90 or a fresh build from https://builder.blender.org/download/?
Does this setting make a difference? Preferences > Viewport > Selection > OpenGL Depth picking?

Cannot reproduce here ``` **System Information** Operating system: Linux-5.8.4-200.fc32.x86_64-x86_64-with-fedora-32-Thirty_Two 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 970M/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 450.66 version: 2.92.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2020-10-21 19:21, hash: `rBd7e3b3aed0a7` ``` A bit of a step in the dark: - Have you checked this with File > Defaults > Load Factory Settings? - Are GPU drivers up to date? - Have you checked this in 2.90 or a fresh build from https://builder.blender.org/download/? - Does this setting make a difference? Preferences > Viewport > Selection > OpenGL Depth picking?

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-10-22 10:10:45 +02:00

Hold on, are you using the Box Select tool?
(can repro with that tool)

If so, this does not set the Armature itself active automatically (which seems to cause this?), so its name in the Outliner needs to be bright orange.
I think in 2.83, you could enter posemode by clicking on the Armature icon in the Outliner, in 2.91 you cannot do this anymore.
If you click on the Armature object in the Outliner, does box select then work for you?

Hold on, are you using the Box Select tool? (can repro with that tool) If so, this does not set the Armature itself active automatically (which seems to cause this?), so its name in the Outliner needs to be bright orange. I think in 2.83, you could enter posemode by clicking on the Armature icon in the Outliner, in 2.91 you cannot do this anymore. If you click on the Armature object in the Outliner, does box select then work for you?

Alexis Pautrot commented

2020-10-22 11:27:36 +02:00

Yes indeed, I'm entering the Pose Mode by directly clicking the Pose item in the outliner (which is a nice shortcut rather than selecting Armature then Ctrl+Tab).
But as you found, the Armature is not highlighted then, and the Graph Editor is not responding to selection.
I have the same behavior when using the Select Box, Select Circle or Select Lasso tools or the A shortcut (Select/Unselect All).
I confirm that the highlight of the Armature is the reason why the Graph Editor respond or not to Bones selection change.

Yes indeed, I'm entering the Pose Mode by directly clicking the Pose item in the outliner (which is a nice shortcut rather than selecting Armature then Ctrl+Tab). But as you found, the Armature is not highlighted then, and the Graph Editor is not responding to selection. I have the same behavior when using the Select Box, Select Circle or Select Lasso tools or the A shortcut (Select/Unselect All). I confirm that the highlight of the Armature is the reason why the Graph Editor respond or not to Bones selection change.

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-10-22 12:40:37 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs User Info' to: 'Needs Developer To Reproduce'

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-10-22 12:40:37 +02:00

Added subscriber: @dr.sybren

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-10-22 12:40:37 +02:00

Hm, I would assume this is a Known Issue then?

CC @dr.sybren

Hm, I would assume this is a Known Issue then? CC @dr.sybren

Philipp Oeser changed title from ~~The Graph Editor doesn't show any curve of the selected Armature, in Pose mode, whatever Bone selection is made.~~ to The Graph Editor doesn't show any curve of the Armature (if in Pose mode, but armature unselected, with box/circle/lasso tools)

2020-10-22 12:49:57 +02:00

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-10-30 15:21:54 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Developer To Reproduce' to: 'Confirmed'

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-10-30 15:21:54 +01:00

Select and deselect bones

When I do this in the 3D viewport things work exactly as expected, so the "steps to reproduce" don't really convey what to do & how to do it.

When I select a pose bone in the Outliner, the curves still show up properly. However, when I then {key Shift Click} another pose bone in the outliner (so then there is one active+selected and another one just selected) the curves disappear from view. Disabling & enabling "Selected Only" doesn't help here, so that least that's working consistently. However, when I select a bone in the 3D Viewport, or simply change which of the selected bones is the active one (also in the 3D Viewport), the curves are shown again.

> 2. Select and deselect bones When I do this in the 3D viewport things work exactly as expected, so the "steps to reproduce" don't really convey what to do & how to do it. When I select a pose bone in the Outliner, the curves still show up properly. However, when I then {key Shift Click} another pose bone in the outliner (so then there is one active+selected and another one just selected) the curves disappear from view. Disabling & enabling "Selected Only" doesn't help here, so that least that's working consistently. However, when I select a bone in the 3D Viewport, or simply change which of the selected bones is the active one (also in the 3D Viewport), the curves are shown again.

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-10-30 15:46:04 +01:00

In #81922#1044974, @dr.sybren wrote:

Select and deselect bones

When I do this in the 3D viewport things work exactly as expected, so the "steps to reproduce" don't really convey what to do & how to do it.

This was in the title "(if in Pose mode, but armature unselected, with box/circle/lasso tools)"
Updated the reports steps to reproduce, please check this with Box / Lasso / Circle (this fails for me because the armature is not selected)

> In #81922#1044974, @dr.sybren wrote: >> 2. Select and deselect bones > > When I do this in the 3D viewport things work exactly as expected, so the "steps to reproduce" don't really convey what to do & how to do it. This was in the title "(if in Pose mode, but armature unselected, with box/circle/lasso tools)" Updated the reports steps to reproduce, please check this with Box / Lasso / Circle (this fails for me because the armature is not selected)

Sybren A. Stüvel commented

2020-11-03 12:25:29 +01:00

I did some digging, and it turns out that, even though the armature object is in pose mode and marked as active, it's not selected. This causes the pose animation to be hidden when enabling the "Selected Only" filter. This means that there is a simple workaround: go to object mode, select the armature object, and enter pose mode again. Now all the selection methods work fine again.

Luciano Muñoz Sessarego commented

2020-11-03 12:37:07 +01:00

Added subscriber: @LucianoMunoz

Luciano Muñoz Sessarego commented

2020-11-03 12:37:07 +01:00

an other reason to fix the "active but not selected"/"selected but nothing is active" bad behaviour across all blender.

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-11-03 12:58:04 +01:00

even though the armature object is in pose mode and marked as active, it's not selected

That was also in the title: "if in Pose mode, but armature unselected" and one comment above "this fails for me because the armature is not selected"

an other reason to fix the "active but not selected"/"selected but nothing is active" bad behaviour across all blender.

Yeah, it is bad... I think in this case it was the Outliner fault: but clicking on pose icon wont do that anymore - which is good, there might be other ways to still do it though...

Question is if code should consider status of selected bones in the "Selected Only" filter regardless ob object selection state? If we know we can have unselected objects yet selected bones, why do we consider the selection state of objects?
But this could very well be a Known Issue (especially since it is less likely to run into this situation now that the Outliner wont let you do this)

> even though the armature object is in pose mode and marked as active, it's not selected That was also in the title: "if in Pose mode, **but armature unselected**" and one comment above "this fails for me **because the armature is not selected**" > an other reason to fix the "active but not selected"/"selected but nothing is active" bad behaviour across all blender. Yeah, it is bad... I think in this case it was the Outliner fault: but clicking on pose icon wont do that anymore - which is good, there might be other ways to still do it though... Question is if code should consider status of selected bones in the "Selected Only" filter regardless ob object selection state? If we know we can have unselected objects yet selected bones, why do we consider the selection state of objects? But this could very well be a Known Issue (especially since it is less likely to run into this situation now that the Outliner wont let you do this)

Campbell Barton commented

2021-09-15 08:31:04 +02:00

Added subscriber: @ideasman42

Campbell Barton commented

2021-09-15 08:31:04 +02:00

When objects are in pose mode, users will expect selected bones to be treated as "selected", as these bones will be operated on in the 3D view (can be transformed, keyframed ... etc).

Similar to UV editing, when in edit-mode an object doesn't have to be selected for it's selected geometry to show up in the UV editor.

Even though in both cases the object is typically selected, it doesn't have to be.

This patch only applies object selection in object-mode D12494: Fix #81922: Pose bones don't show in the graph editor when it's object isn't selected.

When objects are in pose mode, users will expect selected bones to be treated as "selected", as these bones will be operated on in the 3D view (can be transformed, keyframed ... etc). Similar to UV editing, when in edit-mode an object doesn't have to be selected for it's selected geometry to show up in the UV editor. Even though in both cases the object is typically selected, it doesn't have to be. This patch only applies object selection in object-mode [D12494: Fix #81922: Pose bones don't show in the graph editor when it's object isn't selected](https://archive.blender.org/developer/D12494).

blender-admin commented

2021-09-27 12:43:20 +02:00

This issue was referenced by 2c2e1b3d61

This issue was referenced by 2c2e1b3d612d87b54ce3c3f1e52b7c89ee88a5c3

Campbell Barton commented

2021-09-27 13:05:43 +02:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

Campbell Barton closed this issue

2021-09-27 13:05:43 +02:00

Campbell Barton self-assigned this 2021-09-27 13:05:43 +02:00

Christiaan Moleman commented

2023-02-04 17:30:41 +01:00