Copy Rotation with Offset fails with hierarchies #28844

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bassam kurdali · 2011-10-08T04:23:55+02:00

bassam kurdali commented

2011-10-08 04:23:55 +02:00

%%%I have two bone chains:

base_parent/base_child (which is untransformed)

parent/child (which is)

parent has a copy rotation in local space with offset to base_parent
child has a copy roation in local space with offset to base_child

I rotate parent.

Now when I rotate child, I get weird rotations/crazy space (try rotating around local Y axis). Given that the local space transformation of the base chain is zero, I'd expect normal behaviour in this case, which leads me to suspect an error/bug.

uname: 2.6.35-30-generic #59-Ubuntu SMP Tue Aug 30 19:00:03 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
affects: revision 40847
hardware: intel cpu/ nvidia gpu%%%

%%%I have two bone chains: base_parent/base_child (which is untransformed) parent/child (which is) parent has a copy rotation in local space with offset to base_parent child has a copy roation in local space with offset to base_child I rotate parent. Now when I rotate child, I get weird rotations/crazy space (try rotating around local Y axis). Given that the local space transformation of the base chain is zero, I'd expect normal behaviour in this case, which leads me to suspect an error/bug. uname: 2.6.35-30-generic #59-Ubuntu SMP Tue Aug 30 19:00:03 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux affects: revision 40847 hardware: intel cpu/ nvidia gpu%%%

bassam kurdali commented

2011-10-08 04:23:55 +02:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

bassam kurdali commented

2011-10-08 04:42:49 +02:00

%%%I turns out that I over complicated: the parent -> base_parent constraint (and the bone base_parent) is not needed to demonstrate the bug. All that is needed that child have a transformed parent, and that child have a local->local copy rotation with offset for the chaos to ensue.
%%%

%%%I turns out that I over complicated: the parent -> base_parent constraint (and the bone base_parent) is not needed to demonstrate the bug. All that is needed that child have a transformed parent, and that child have a local->local copy rotation with offset for the chaos to ensue. %%%

bassam kurdali commented

2011-10-08 04:52:19 +02:00

%%%Final simplification, and new update:
The problem is unrelated to hierarchies. once you have transformed the bone, it's in crazy space.
check the file crazyspace.blend, now with just two bones.
%%%

%%%Final simplification, and new update: The problem is unrelated to hierarchies. once you have transformed the bone, it's in crazy space. check the file crazyspace.blend, now with just two bones. %%%

Thomas Dinges commented

2012-06-11 00:26:44 +02:00

%%%Any updates here? %%%

Ton Roosendaal commented

2012-10-21 18:52:05 +02:00

%%%This needs a fix in transform code, to calculate the correct inverse method to rotate the bone.

Now if that was easy... but the standard inverse doesnt work because the constraint in turn screws the inverse up. That is caused by the "offset" option.
A math genius might be able to solve it, but this so specific for how this constraint works, we wouldn't get benefit for it really. All constraints have too many options...

Choice: remove "offset" or stick to crazyspace :)%%%

%%%This needs a fix in transform code, to calculate the correct inverse method to rotate the bone. Now if that was easy... but the standard inverse doesnt work because the constraint in turn screws the inverse up. That is caused by the "offset" option. A math genius might be able to solve it, but this so specific for how this constraint works, we wouldn't get benefit for it really. All constraints have too many options... Choice: remove "offset" or stick to crazyspace :)%%%

Ton Roosendaal commented

2012-10-21 18:52:05 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Ton Roosendaal closed this issue

2012-10-21 18:52:05 +02:00

bassam kurdali commented

2012-10-21 19:23:00 +02:00

%%%an idea for the future:
replace complex options in constraints with either a transform/constraint stack or nodes:

simplify transform options
simplify constraints
allow adding transform nodes 'on top' of constraints in order, thus no crazy space and real offsetting.

this should be fixable long term (animation master and max didn't have these issues afair)%%%

%%%an idea for the future: replace complex options in constraints with either a transform/constraint stack or nodes: - simplify transform options - simplify constraints - allow adding transform nodes 'on top' of constraints in order, thus no crazy space and real offsetting. this should be fixable long term (animation master and max didn't have these issues afair)%%%

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Copy Rotation with Offset fails with hierarchies #28844