Background Images Disappear on Reopen/3D View Changed #40440

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Ron Tarrant · 2014-05-30T12:18:42+02:00

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-05-30 12:18:42 +02:00

System Information
(I tested this on two different computers:
Asus P8P67M/i7 2600k, Windows 7
Lenovo IdeaPad S510p, Windows 8.1

Blender Version
Broken: 2.70a
Worked: 2.69

Short description of error

start a new session
add a Background Image to any view
do some modeling
save and close the file (or shut down Blender)
restart Blender
reopen file

Results:

Background Image is now turned off
all loaded Background images are gone
'view' of the 3D View is different

Also note: This happens whether Background Images are embedded or pulled in by Blender at file load time.

Based on a (as simple as possible) attached .blend file with minimum amount of steps
BackgroundImageBug.blend

**System Information** (I tested this on two different computers: Asus P8P67M/i7 2600k, Windows 7 Lenovo IdeaPad S510p, Windows 8.1 **Blender Version** Broken: 2.70a Worked: 2.69 **Short description of error** - start a new session - add a Background Image to any view - do some modeling - save and close the file (or shut down Blender) - restart Blender - reopen file Results: - Background Image is now turned off - all loaded Background images are gone - 'view' of the 3D View is different Also note: This happens whether Background Images are embedded or pulled in by Blender at file load time. Based on a (as simple as possible) attached .blend file with minimum amount of steps [BackgroundImageBug.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F91968/BackgroundImageBug.blend)

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-05-30 12:18:42 +02:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-05-30 12:18:42 +02:00

Added subscriber: @rontarrant

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-05-30 12:33:48 +02:00

Forgot to mention:
When a file created in 2.70a is opened in 2.69, the Background Images are there, the 'view' intact.

Forgot to mention: When a file created in 2.70a is opened in 2.69, the Background Images are there, the 'view' intact.

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-05-30 12:48:24 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Sergey

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-05-30 12:48:24 +02:00

Not sure how to reproduce the bug with the file you've attached. I've opened it in blender 2.70a, saved, re-started blender, opened file again and bg image is there.

Also, are you using 64bit or 32bit blender?

Not sure how to reproduce the bug with the file you've attached. I've opened it in blender 2.70a, saved, re-started blender, opened file again and bg image is there. Also, are you using 64bit or 32bit blender?

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-05-30 13:39:04 +02:00

64-bit on both computers.

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-05-30 14:33:57 +02:00

Sorry, please disregard. Seems my config is corrupted (on BOTH machines); I deleted it and now the 'bug' is gone. (sigh)

This explains why nearly every bug I've reported over the last couple of years has turned out to be non-reproduce-able. This corrupted config apparently goes back a looooonng way.

Again, my apologies.

Sorry, please disregard. Seems my config is corrupted (on BOTH machines); I deleted it and now the 'bug' is gone. (sigh) This explains why nearly every bug I've reported over the last couple of years has turned out to be non-reproduce-able. This corrupted config apparently goes back a looooonng way. Again, my apologies.

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-05-30 14:46:50 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'

Sergey Sharybin closed this issue

2014-05-30 14:46:50 +02:00

Sergey Sharybin self-assigned this 2014-05-30 14:46:50 +02:00

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-05-30 14:46:50 +02:00

Well, nice to hear the issue is solved for you! :)

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-05-30 15:12:05 +02:00

:)
Thanks.

:) Thanks.

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-06-03 12:58:00 +02:00

I ran into this problem again this morning.

History:
After the first time, I nuked my config and rebuilt it from scratch. I then backed up the new config.
This morning, this problem arose again, so I immediately backed up the broken config, too.

By switching back and forth between the two configs I was able to turn this problem on and off.

I used WinMerge to narrow down which file is causing the problem (userpref.blend) and I could see at least one difference between the files. But since it's a binary file, I have no way of knowing what those differences mean.

To reproduce the problem:

back up your current preferences
replace your preferences with the "broken" user prefs contained in the zip file attached below
open the BackgroundImageBug.blend file

You'll see that the embedded background image is no longer available.

Control

To reset to a working state, replace the user prefs with the "working" version provided.

Now the background image is available.

I've included both working and non-working versions to make it easier to find the problem. Hope this helps.

I ran into this problem again this morning. History: After the first time, I nuked my config and rebuilt it from scratch. I then backed up the new config. This morning, this problem arose again, so I immediately backed up the *broken* config, too. By switching back and forth between the two configs I was able to turn this problem on and off. I used WinMerge to narrow down which file is causing the problem (userpref.blend) and I could see at least one difference between the files. But since it's a binary file, I have no way of knowing what those differences mean. To reproduce the problem: - back up your current preferences - replace your preferences with the "broken" user prefs contained in the zip file attached below - open the BackgroundImageBug.blend file You'll see that the embedded background image is no longer available. Control To reset to a working state, replace the user prefs with the "working" version provided. Now the background image _is_ available. I've included both working and non-working versions to make it easier to find the problem. Hope this helps.

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-06-03 12:59:18 +02:00

Sorry. I don't see how to attach a second file. If someone could give me a heads-up on this, please.

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-06-03 14:06:40 +02:00

Just drag-n-drop files into the comment box here.

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-06-03 14:06:48 +02:00

Changed status from 'Resolved' to: 'Open'

Sergey Sharybin reopened this issue

2014-06-03 14:06:48 +02:00

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-06-03 14:12:51 +02:00

Also, try disabling autoperspective in your settings and see if it helps.

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-06-03 14:36:55 +02:00

User_Prefs_-_working_and_broken_versions.7z

Dude! Thank you.

[User_Prefs_-_working_and_broken_versions.7z](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F92441/User_Prefs_-_working_and_broken_versions.7z) Dude! Thank you.

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-06-03 16:28:35 +02:00

Does it mean disabling auto-perspective helped you?

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-06-04 19:42:02 +02:00

I just checked the auto-perspective setting and it's enabled in both the working and non-working configs.

So, I'd say, no. It didn't help.

I just checked the auto-perspective setting and it's enabled in both the working and non-working configs. So, I'd say, no. It didn't help.

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-06-08 00:32:16 +02:00

Just for clarity: When I said, "Dude! Thank you," I was referring to the information about how to attach a second file.

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-06-08 15:49:58 +02:00

It's still assigned to self and i'll look into it soon, don't worry! :) The issue will be looked into, it's just matter of fact we've got order of magnitudes more bugs than developers which might lead to some delays in responses.

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-06-09 12:55:20 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Sergey Sharybin closed this issue

2014-06-09 12:55:20 +02:00

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-06-09 12:55:20 +02:00

Finally got time to solve this issue. but that's not actually a bug..

You've got Load UI disabled in your user preferences (File tab). Since background images belongs to the UI (they're stored in 3D viewport) they wouldn't load with the file. So in order to solve your issue just enable loading of the UI :)

Finally got time to solve this issue. but that's not actually a bug.. You've got Load UI disabled in your user preferences (File tab). Since background images belongs to the UI (they're stored in 3D viewport) they wouldn't load with the file. So in order to solve your issue just enable loading of the UI :)

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-06-09 15:05:57 +02:00

Okay, thanks for sorting it out.

It never would have occurred to me that those two things were tied together. Perhaps you could put a bug in someone's ear and suggest they be decoupled at some point. I know, that's waaaayyyy in the future; too many other priorities, but still, it's not documented (or at least, not easily found) and shouldn't be interdependent from a logic point of view. They really have nothing to do with each other.

Just my thoughts; no need to follow up.

Again, thank you.

Okay, thanks for sorting it out. It never would have occurred to me that those two things were tied together. Perhaps you could put a bug in someone's ear and suggest they be decoupled at some point. I know, that's waaaayyyy in the future; too many other priorities, but still, it's not documented (or at least, not easily found) and shouldn't be interdependent from a logic point of view. They really have nothing to do with each other. Just my thoughts; no need to follow up. Again, thank you.

Sergey Sharybin commented

2014-06-10 08:51:00 +02:00

Solving this is in our TODO already actually: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:2.5/Source/Development/Todo/Editors#3D_View

It's not just opening .blend without loading UI, but also some weird things going on with the undo system as well.

Solving this is in our TODO already actually: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:2.5/Source/Development/Todo/Editors#3D_View It's not just opening .blend without loading UI, but also some weird things going on with the undo system as well.

Ron Tarrant commented

2014-06-10 12:25:38 +02:00

I guess I can't ask for more than that. :)

Thanks for bringing me up to speed.

I guess I can't ask for more than that. :) Thanks for bringing me up to speed.

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Background Images Disappear on Reopen/3D View Changed #40440