Rolling Shutter Type: "Top to Bottom" option using wrong string #47369

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Gabriel Gazzán · 2016-02-09T08:55:35+01:00

Gabriel Gazzán commented

2016-02-09 08:55:35 +01:00

Currently assigned to the same string used by Stereo 3D Display Mode "Top-Bottom".
Should be using Render Settings Tile Order "Top to Bottom" string instead.
That way it should get a more appropriate translation.

Thanks!

Currently assigned to the same string used by Stereo 3D Display Mode "Top-Bottom". Should be using Render Settings Tile Order "Top to Bottom" string instead. That way it should get a more appropriate translation. Thanks!

Gabriel Gazzán commented

2016-02-09 08:55:35 +01:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

Gabriel Gazzán commented

2016-02-09 08:55:35 +01:00

Added subscriber: @GabrielGazzan

Sergey Sharybin commented

2016-02-09 09:54:49 +01:00

Added subscribers: @mont29, @Sergey

Bastien Montagne was assigned by Sergey Sharybin

2016-02-09 09:54:49 +01:00

Sergey Sharybin commented

2016-02-09 09:54:49 +01:00

While i'm fine with changing the label, it might cause other conflicts in translations. Afraid we have to define some sort of translation context here, @mont29 knows how.

Bastien, you're the translation boss, will leave it up to you to decide if we need extra con text here or not. And feel free to simply change the label. (be aware that more shutter types could be added in the future, like Bottom-Top or Left-Right).

While i'm fine with changing the label, it might cause other conflicts in translations. Afraid we have to define some sort of translation context here, @mont29 knows how. Bastien, you're the translation boss, will leave it up to you to decide if we need extra con text here or not. And feel free to simply change the label. (be aware that more shutter types could be added in the future, like Bottom-Top or Left-Right).

Bastien Montagne commented

2016-02-09 13:09:21 +01:00

We can add BLT_I18NCONTEXT_ID_IMAGE context to the stereo3D stuff e.g.

But @GabrielGazzan I wonder, why can't you use same translation in both cases here? This is just a label name, imho can be translated literally and we are done (precise description of what it means is in tooltip anyway)? E.g. I just used 'Haut-bas' in french, can’t 'Alto-bajo' be enough in spanish?

We can add `BLT_I18NCONTEXT_ID_IMAGE` context to the stereo3D stuff e.g. But @GabrielGazzan I wonder, why can't you use same translation in both cases here? This is just a label name, imho can be translated literally and we are done (precise description of **what** it means is in tooltip anyway)? E.g. I just used 'Haut-bas' in french, can’t 'Alto-bajo' be enough in spanish?

Gabriel Gazzán commented

2016-02-09 18:02:19 +01:00

Well, it's simple,
The string currently used is already used to describe a spacial disposition where one image sits atop of the other, whereas the other one represents an showing order, where things appear first from the top part and the progress down to the bottom part of the screen.

So, in the case of translations, one string is translated as "Superior - Inferior" (as in a "Top-Bottom" layout), whereas the other string is translated as "De arriba a abajo" (as in "From top to bottom").
It's really not the same, and being that strings with both meanings are already present, I think it'd be more appropriate to use de correct one.

Plus, there are already accompanying strings present for all the other possibilities (Bottom to top, Left to right, Right to left), so no need to worry about that either.

Thanks!

Well, it's simple, The string currently used is already used to describe a spacial disposition where one image sits atop of the other, whereas the other one represents an showing order, where things appear first from the top part and the progress down to the bottom part of the screen. So, in the case of translations, one string is translated as "Superior - Inferior" (as in a "Top-Bottom" layout), whereas the other string is translated as "De arriba a abajo" (as in "From top to bottom"). It's really not the same, and being that strings with both meanings are already present, I think it'd be more appropriate to use de correct one. Plus, there are already accompanying strings present for all the other possibilities (Bottom to top, Left to right, Right to left), so no need to worry about that either. Thanks!

Bastien Montagne commented

2016-02-13 10:48:59 +01:00

Meh… I’m still not convinced here, often have the feeling translators are trying to be too smart for labels… Yes, superior-inferior is not exactly the same as arriba-abajo - but they totally convey the same “global meaning”. Otherwise, you could also argue that in english, we should also use 'upper - lower' for the layout, e.g.

What I’m trying to say here is that precision of labels is not really important, they are kind of codes/conventions anyway (aside from a few exceptions, you cannot describe what an operator does, or what a setting affects, in only one or two words), as long as they convey the correct general meaning it’s OK. Precise description of what it is about shall be kept for tooltips.

Otherwise, we can as well give each widget its own context! ;)

Meh… I’m still not convinced here, often have the feeling translators are trying to be too smart for **labels**… Yes, superior-inferior is not exactly the same as arriba-abajo - but they totally convey the same “global meaning”. Otherwise, you could also argue that in english, we should also use 'upper - lower' for the layout, e.g. What I’m trying to say here is that precision of labels is not really important, they are kind of codes/conventions anyway (aside from a few exceptions, you cannot describe what an operator does, or what a setting affects, in only one or two words), as long as they convey the correct general meaning it’s OK. Precise description of what it is about shall be kept for tooltips. Otherwise, we can as well give each widget its own context! ;)

Gabriel Gazzán commented

2016-02-15 20:02:01 +01:00

Hi Bastien,
I you know a appreciate you and all the effort you a re putting into Blender.

But, honestly, here (and besides the technical issues that escapes me, in doing that change) you are not being clear at all.
We have the correct strings in place, but we are using others not as suitable as these ones.
This is just plain silly.
In English its also not the same, that's (I suppose) the very reason two different sets of strings exists?

I did my job reporting it, I will bother no more with this.
But please note you are discouraging those translators that "take their jobs too much seriously" by taking decisions that in the end make a poorer translation of the program.
I try to do my best to obtain a truly understandable translation of Blender, but with decisions like this one.... man... it makes me reconsider if anyone is taking translations as a valuable thing.
Perhaps I should stop using my sparse free time with this and use it in other things more rewarding... :-/

best regards

Hi Bastien, I you know a appreciate you and all the effort you a re putting into Blender. But, honestly, here (and besides the technical issues that escapes me, in doing that change) you are not being clear at all. We have the correct strings in place, but we are using others not as suitable as these ones. This is just plain silly. In English its also not the same, that's (I suppose) the very reason two different sets of strings exists? I did my job reporting it, I will bother no more with this. But please note you are discouraging those translators that "take their jobs too much seriously" by taking decisions that in the end make a poorer translation of the program. I try to do my best to obtain a truly understandable translation of Blender, but with decisions like this one.... man... it makes me reconsider if anyone is taking translations as a valuable thing. Perhaps I should stop using my sparse free time with this and use it in other things more rewarding... :-/ best regards

Bastien Montagne commented

2016-02-15 20:37:26 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Bastien Montagne closed this issue

2016-02-15 20:37:26 +01:00

Bastien Montagne commented

2016-02-15 20:37:26 +01:00

Don’t know why you take it like that, I never said anywhere that you were "taking your jobs too much seriously"… Your report is not invalid or wrong, it’s just too picky for our current goal in level of support of this feature - otherwise, as already said, we’ll end up adding contexts everywhere, which is not desired currently. Some fuzzyness in labels' translations is accepted (similar to fuzzyness of original english labels, not more nor less).

And I’m a bit tired of people’s susceptibility these days too, time to close this.

Don’t know why you take it like that, I never said anywhere that you were "taking your jobs too much seriously"… Your report is not invalid or wrong, it’s just too picky for our current goal in level of support of this feature - otherwise, as already said, we’ll end up adding contexts everywhere, which is not desired currently. Some fuzzyness in labels' translations is accepted (similar to fuzzyness of original english labels, not more nor less). And I’m a bit tired of people’s susceptibility these days too, time to close this.

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Rolling Shutter Type: "Top to Bottom" option using wrong string #47369