Make w (context menu shortcut) consistent and independent on what preference for Select is set - Left or Right. w should trigger context menu always. #59045

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Reinis Adovics · 2018-12-08T21:43:42+01:00

Reinis Adovics commented

2018-12-08 21:43:42 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: macOS 10.13.6 (17G65)

Blender Version
Broken: 2.80, blender-2.80.0-git20181204.1b6a394d862-x86_64, blender2.8, 2018-12-04

Short description of error
Keyboard shortcuts differ based on what preferences for select is set - left/right.
Expected that whatever mouse selection is preferred, keyboard shortcuts work identically.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

Launch Blender.
Add plane.
Tab into edit mode.
Select all mesh.

Set Blender preferences to select with Right mouse button.
Press key "w" for pop-up menu (in 2.8 called Mesh Context Menu, in previous versions it was called Specials).
Menu appears.

Set Blender preferences to select with Left mouse button.
Press key "w" for pop-up menu.
Mesh context menu does not appear. "w" cycles through select modes (Select, Select Box, Select Circle, Select Lasso).

**System Information** Operating system: macOS 10.13.6 (17G65) **Blender Version** Broken: 2.80, blender-2.80.0-git20181204.1b6a394d862-x86_64, blender2.8, 2018-12-04 **Short description of error** Keyboard shortcuts differ based on what preferences for select is set - left/right. Expected that whatever mouse selection is preferred, keyboard shortcuts work identically. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Launch Blender. Add plane. Tab into edit mode. Select all mesh. Set Blender preferences to select with Right mouse button. Press key "w" for pop-up menu (in 2.8 called *Mesh Context Menu*, in previous versions it was called *Specials*). Menu appears. Set Blender preferences to select with Left mouse button. Press key "w" for pop-up menu. Mesh context menu does not appear. "w" cycles through select modes (*Select, Select Box, Select Circle, Select Lasso*).

Reinis Adovics commented

2018-12-08 21:43:42 +01:00

Added subscriber: @kroko-1

William Reynish commented

2018-12-08 22:38:39 +01:00

Added subscriber: @WilliamReynish

William Reynish commented

2018-12-08 22:38:39 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

William Reynish closed this issue

2018-12-08 22:38:39 +01:00

William Reynish self-assigned this 2018-12-08 22:38:39 +01:00

William Reynish commented

2018-12-08 22:38:39 +01:00

Don't see a bug here.

Reinis Adovics commented

2018-12-08 23:04:11 +01:00

IMHO it is unexpected behaviour as user simply changed mouse related parameter in preferences. It also applies to Object mode where "w" behaves totally different based on left/right setting.
For consistency purposes wouldn't it be the best practice that the same key (keyboard shortcut) does the same thing whatever pointer selection - left or right - method user chooses? And pointer selection preference affects only pointed related stuff?
Same key (shortcut) sure can have different meaning in different Blender editor type. But if different meaning just based on pointer select preference is not a bug... is it not at least bad practice to introduce in 2.8+ Blender where pointer selection option is a "big thing" and you will have newcomers and those who stay with right click having different base shortcuts OOB?
Practically - say there is a team of blenderists each having different pointer selection method in preferences and general knowledge of the software. A newbie asks - how can I subdivide the mesh in Edit mode. The answer is inconsistent.

IMHO it is unexpected behaviour as user simply changed mouse related parameter in preferences. It also applies to Object mode where "w" behaves totally different based on left/right setting. For consistency purposes wouldn't it be the best practice that the same key (keyboard shortcut) does the same thing whatever pointer selection - left or right - method user chooses? And pointer selection preference affects only pointed related stuff? Same key (shortcut) sure can have different meaning in different Blender editor type. But if different meaning just based on pointer select preference is not a bug... is it not at least bad practice to introduce in 2.8+ Blender where pointer selection option is a "big thing" and you will have newcomers and those who stay with right click having different base shortcuts OOB? Practically - say there is a team of blenderists each having different pointer selection method in preferences and general knowledge of the software. A newbie asks - how can I subdivide the mesh in Edit mode. The answer is inconsistent.

William Reynish commented

2018-12-08 23:08:32 +01:00

We cannot use right click menus when using right click select. That's not possible.

When using right click select, this feature is available by tapping W instead.

We cannot use right click menus when using right click select. That's not possible. When using right click select, this feature is available by tapping W instead.

Reinis Adovics commented

2018-12-08 23:13:16 +01:00

Sure, no right click contextual menus when having right click as select.
But that is not my argument.
When using Left click why "w" still cannot behave same as when using Right click? In both cases "w" means the same thing (in this discussion it is contextual menu).

Sure, no right click contextual menus when having right click as select. But that is not my argument. When using Left click why "w" still cannot behave same as when using Right click? In both cases "w" means the same thing (in this discussion it is contextual menu).

Reinis Adovics commented

2018-12-09 14:20:49 +01:00

Another argument apart from consistency to keep "w" as keyboard shortcut to bring out the contextual menu (whatever the click to select option is chosen by the user) is to keep blenderish way of doing things - action can be started and ended by keyboard only, which is faster.
For example we take the same Subdivide which should be achieved by "w s" independently of mouse preferences.
Would you please reconsider this issue?

EDIT:
Updated title of the ticket to more precisely address the issue. I really hope you would reconsider reopening this ticket for discussion.

Another argument apart from consistency to keep "w" as keyboard shortcut to bring out the contextual menu (whatever the click to select option is chosen by the user) is to keep blenderish way of doing things - action can be started and ended by keyboard only, which is faster. For example we take the same *Subdivide* which should be achieved by "w s" independently of mouse preferences. Would you please reconsider this issue? EDIT: Updated title of the ticket to more precisely address the issue. I really hope you would reconsider reopening this ticket for discussion.

Reinis Adovics changed title from ~~Keyboard shortcuts differ based on what preference for Select is set - Left or Right.~~ to Make w (context menu shortcut) consistent and independent on what preference for Select is set - Left or Right. w should trigger context menu always.

2018-12-09 14:22:20 +01:00

Reinis Adovics commented

2018-12-09 22:17:00 +01:00

Changed status from 'Archived' to: 'Open'

Reinis Adovics reopened this issue

2018-12-09 22:17:00 +01:00

William Reynish commented

2018-12-09 22:18:56 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

William Reynish closed this issue

2018-12-09 22:18:56 +01:00

William Reynish commented

2018-12-09 22:18:56 +01:00

Not a bug. Post suggestions in places such as rightclickselect or devtalk.

Reinis Adovics commented

2018-12-09 22:19:49 +01:00

Looking at @WilliamReynish profile history of how he closes tasks (https://developer.blender.org/T58312) I reopened it to get opinion from another reviser.

EDIT
Posted in https://devtalk.blender.org/t/keyboard-shortcut-consistency-w-and-independence-on-select-style-left-or-right-forwarded-from-developer-ticket/4245 as diected by @WilliamReynish

Looking at @WilliamReynish profile history of how he closes tasks (https://developer.blender.org/T58312) I reopened it to get opinion from another reviser. EDIT Posted in https://devtalk.blender.org/t/keyboard-shortcut-consistency-w-and-independence-on-select-style-left-or-right-forwarded-from-developer-ticket/4245 as diected by @WilliamReynish

Jean Da Costa commented

2019-03-12 10:40:39 +01:00

Added subscriber: @jeacom

Jean Da Costa commented

2019-03-12 10:40:39 +01:00

How many times I see this happening.
I kinda agree with @kroko-1 W should activate context menu both in Left and Right keymaps, there's not a relevant point on making this seemingly random distinction between keymaps. It only makes harder for users who learn different keymaps to talk about the same thing.

How many times I see this happening. I kinda agree with @kroko-1 W should activate context menu both in Left and Right keymaps, there's not a relevant point on making this seemingly random distinction between keymaps. It only makes harder for users who learn different keymaps to talk about the same thing.

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Make w (context menu shortcut) consistent and independent on what preference for Select is set - Left or Right. w should trigger context menu always. #59045