Semi-transparent Strokes and Fills overlapping with themselves #61478

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jens · 2019-02-12T19:48:18+01:00

jens commented

2019-02-12 19:48:18 +01:00

System Information
Operating system:OSX
Graphics card: RADEON PRO 460

Blender Version
2.80

Short description of error
semi-transparent strokes and fills overlapping themselves create ugly artifacts

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Based on the default startup or an attached .blend file (as simple as possible).

Draw a freehand zigzag stroke with the Draw Block Pencil. Set alpha to 0.5.
At sharper parts of the line the individual "dots" of the stroke overlap this create some darker triangles perpendicular to the stroke direction.
draw a closed shape with curvy lines. set fill alpha to 0.5. The fill overlaps concave parts of the outline sometimes.
Add a Noise Grease Pencil Modifier. factor ~13 to see the line points position move a bit , Full Stroke off
The fill overlaps somehow with itself, "folds" and creates darker lines inside the shape.
Now set the material Fill to fully opaque and the Opacity of the Layer to 0.5, trying to make it look better.- No, the dark areas are back.
Perhaps set the Blend Mode to something like "Darker Color" so only the darker color gets rendered- Since there is only one color in this fill, this could make it even (?) No. No Blend Mode like that, and it would possibly only affect the appearance of underlying Layers...

The new Grease Pencil would be a very beautiful tool without this weird alpha behavior.

**System Information** Operating system:OSX Graphics card: RADEON PRO 460 **Blender Version** 2.80 **Short description of error** semi-transparent strokes and fills overlapping themselves create ugly artifacts **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Based on the default startup or an attached .blend file (as simple as possible). Draw a freehand zigzag stroke with the Draw Block Pencil. Set alpha to 0.5. At sharper parts of the line the individual "dots" of the stroke overlap this create some darker triangles perpendicular to the stroke direction. draw a closed shape with curvy lines. set fill alpha to 0.5. The fill overlaps concave parts of the outline sometimes. Add a Noise Grease Pencil Modifier. factor ~13 to see the line points position move a bit , Full Stroke off The fill overlaps somehow with itself, "folds" and creates darker lines inside the shape. Now set the material Fill to fully opaque and the Opacity of the Layer to 0.5, trying to make it look better.- No, the dark areas are back. Perhaps set the Blend Mode to something like "Darker Color" so only the darker color gets rendered- Since there is only one color in this fill, this could make it even (?) No. No Blend Mode like that, and it would possibly only affect the appearance of underlying Layers... The new Grease Pencil would be a very beautiful tool without this weird alpha behavior. ![Bildschirmfoto 2019-02-12 um 19.42.58.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6592610/Bildschirmfoto_2019-02-12_um_19.42.58.png) ![Bildschirmfoto 2019-02-12 um 19.42.11.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6592632/Bildschirmfoto_2019-02-12_um_19.42.11.png)

jens commented

2019-02-12 19:48:18 +01:00

Added subscriber: @jaadee

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-02-12 20:28:44 +01:00

Added subscribers: @antoniov, @ZedDB

Antonio Vazquez was assigned by Sebastian Parborg

2019-02-12 20:28:44 +01:00

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-02-12 20:28:44 +01:00

I think that this is a limitation because GP actually draws its geometry in 3D space.
Perhaps we could do some smart tricks to remedy this.

@antoniov how is the situation in this regard?

I think that this is a limitation because GP actually draws its geometry in 3D space. Perhaps we could do some smart tricks to remedy this. @antoniov how is the situation in this regard?

jens commented

2019-02-12 22:13:34 +01:00

I just checked on another computer. At least it is not a problem of AMD graphic cards.
LinuxMint / Nvidia looks similar:

Perhaps it could help to find a workaround for the time being if the Opacity Modifier also had the possibility to override the Opacity values of a whole object. It seems it multiplies a factor right now. Don't know if this helps at all, but this could be useful anyway for strokes drawn with a tablet if you want to override the Opacity with a constant value afterwards.

I just checked on another computer. At least it is not a problem of AMD graphic cards. LinuxMint / Nvidia looks similar: ![grease_linux_nvidia.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6593668/grease_linux_nvidia.png) Perhaps it could help to find a workaround for the time being if the Opacity Modifier also had the possibility to override the Opacity values of a whole object. It seems it multiplies a factor right now. Don't know if this helps at all, but this could be useful anyway for strokes drawn with a tablet if you want to override the Opacity with a constant value afterwards.

Antonio Vazquez commented

2019-02-13 09:43:36 +01:00

Yes, this is a limitation of the current drawing method. We are looking for a solution, but it's not easy to fix without adding a lot of drawing overhead.

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-02-13 11:04:10 +01:00

@antoniov perhaps we could add a rendered mode for GP too? That way we can keep the fast drawing that we have now but also have a much more costly mode with higher quality results.

@antoniov perhaps we could add a `rendered mode` for GP too? That way we can keep the fast drawing that we have now but also have a much more costly mode with higher quality results.

jens commented

2019-02-13 11:22:37 +01:00

A slower solution could also be part of the smoothing option, available as a post-processing setting.

jens commented

2019-02-13 11:41:11 +01:00

Regarding this problem with semi-transparent fills there is a popular feature request on right-click select, that could solve the issue also:
https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/0Xbbbc
https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/VDcbbc/a-brush-to-create-filled-shapes-for-grease-pencil

![Bildschirmfoto 2019-02-13 um 11.32.07.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6598538/Bildschirmfoto_2019-02-13_um_11.32.07.png) Regarding this problem with semi-transparent fills there is a popular feature request on right-click select, that could solve the issue also: https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/0Xbbbc https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/VDcbbc/a-brush-to-create-filled-shapes-for-grease-pencil

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2019-02-13 11:56:39 +01:00

Added subscriber: @brecht

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2019-02-13 11:56:39 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Brecht Van Lommel closed this issue

2019-02-13 11:56:39 +01:00

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2019-02-13 11:56:39 +01:00

So this is a known limitation that would be good to solve, but not considered a bug at this moment.

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Semi-transparent Strokes and Fills overlapping with themselves #61478