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AccentGrave / Tilde not accessible on certain keyboards in Windows [makes Walk/Fly difficult to access]
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System Information
Operating system: Windows-7-6.1.7601-SP1 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 970/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 416.34

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 74), branch: master, commit date: 2019-07-08 23:33, hash: rBac8c795429f9
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Short description of error
flymode not accessible throug german keyboard
SHIFT+` is not working on german keyboards

would be good to have SHIFT+F as a standard again, so germans can use the flymode :)
SHIFT+` is a bad kombo...

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Event Timeline

Germans, unite: @Jacques Lucke (JacquesLucke) @Sebastian Koenig (sebastian_k) could you confirm this?
In theory the shortcut is hardcoded to the key position under the Esc in the top left corner of the keyboard. But perhaps it is not working in some systems.

Can confirm. It doesn't work on a German keyboard, because pressing shift is required to get the ` in the first place.

also
in the menu > view > navigate > fly & walk
is no keykombo shown behind the commands

in Search (F3) "fly" there are naming problems
"walk/fly" makes no sense, because that are 2 different operators
they both need an entry in search

btw
in german keyboards the key ` is under F10
not under ESC

could we pls have SHIFT+F back
that kombo works on all languages
is easy to remind
and at a good place to reach

@Robert Guetzkow (rjg) it works for me with a swedish layout keyboard. I also have to press shift to get the ` character.
Do you guys have nodeadkeys on of off?

In theory the shortcut is hardcoded to the key position under the Esc in the top left corner of the keyboard.

As far as I have understood this is only working on Linux for now, for sure it does not on Windows.

also
in the menu > view > navigate > fly & walk
is no keykombo shown behind the commands

That's because they don't have one. The operator assigned to shift+` is a third one, that invokes fly or walk depending on what is chosen in the user preferences.

@Sebastian Parborg (zeddb) I was testing on Windows and it's a dead key by default.

Works for me:

  • with layout German (no dead keys) it resolves to shift to get the ` character [under "Druck"/"S-Abf" on my keyboard]
  • with layout German it resolves to shift to get the ° character [under "Esc" on my keyboard]

update
SHIFT+Ö (Umlaut O) happens to work... but thats not intentional right?

pls make SHIFT+F again as default

Weird, can confirm SHIFT+ö enables it for me as well.

Switching to non dead keys solves the problem on Linux. Now I can activate the fly mode with the key where the -key would be on US keyboards (= °^-key), as well as with the -key on German keyboards (for comparison see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_keyboard_layout, "T1" is the most common). Is that the intended behavior? And, btw, I'd consider the "solution" a workaround, rather than a bug fix. The default Ubuntu installation uses a dead key layout, so many users will have to switch there keyboard layout, potentially causing trouble with other software.

Same situation with '[' and ']' on a DK(non english keyboard) because they need key presses: Alt Gr+8/9 - which makes it impossible to use shortcut keys for all of these functions(on Windows):

same problem with > 3D View > AccentGrave > View axis pie menu

dont work for same reason (in german keyboards on windows)

Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) renamed this task from flymode not accessible on german keyboard to AccentGrave not accessible on German keyboard in Windows.Sep 20 2019, 5:15 AM

Note that this works on Linux, Windows needs to have support added for the physical key to be mapped as is done in Linux, added rBf3427cbc981e: GHOST/X11: support accessing physical keycodes.

Philipp Oeser (lichtwerk) renamed this task from AccentGrave not accessible on German keyboard in Windows to AccentGrave / Tilde not accessible on certain keyboards in Windows [makes Walk/Fly difficult to access].Nov 26 2019, 12:20 PM
Bastien Montagne (mont29) changed the subtype of this task from "Report" to "Known Issue".Mon, Jan 27, 5:08 PM