Cut function in sequencer confused with copy and paste and should be renamed into Split #68690

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Michael Soluyanov · 2019-08-15T13:53:22+02:00

Michael Soluyanov commented

2019-08-15 13:53:22 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Linux-4.15.0-55-generic-x86_64-with-Ubuntu-18.04-bionic 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 390.116

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 1), branch: Unknown, commit date: Unknown Unknown, hash: rBUnknown

Short description of error
Cut function in sequencer confused with copy and paste and should be renamed into Split

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Look at this:

Cut, Copy and Paste are in one block, so users might think that they perform similar task, because Cut, Copy and Paste in other programs always placed nearby:

In Sony Vegas and Audacity this function called Split, So i think this function in sequencer should be renamed into Split to avoid confusing

**System Information** Operating system: Linux-4.15.0-55-generic-x86_64-with-Ubuntu-18.04-bionic 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 390.116 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 1), branch: Unknown, commit date: Unknown Unknown, hash: `rBUnknown` **Short description of error** Cut function in sequencer confused with copy and paste and should be renamed into Split **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Look at this: ![Снимок экрана от 2019-08-15 14-41-44.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7665780/Снимок_экрана_от_2019-08-15_14-41-44.png) Cut, Copy and Paste are in one block, so users might think that they perform similar task, because Cut, Copy and Paste in other programs always placed nearby: ![Снимок экрана от 2019-08-15 14-41-39.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7665793/Снимок_экрана_от_2019-08-15_14-41-39.png) In Sony Vegas and Audacity this function called Split, So i think this function in sequencer should be renamed into Split to avoid confusing

Michael Soluyanov commented

2019-08-15 13:53:22 +02:00

Added subscriber: @crantisz

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-08-16 10:38:32 +02:00

Added subscribers: @iss, @WilliamReynish, @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-08-16 10:38:32 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Philipp Oeser closed this issue

2019-08-16 10:38:32 +02:00

Philipp Oeser self-assigned this 2019-08-16 10:38:32 +02:00

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-08-16 10:38:32 +02:00

Thx for pointing out, but to me this doesnt sound like a bug.

there is already a separator in the UI between [Cut Hold Cut] and [Copy Paste ...]
renaming a tool just because the name is used for different things (in different contexts) does not neccessarily make it better.
I mean it could be changed, but that sounds more like a feature request that could go to https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/

I will close this [unless @iss or @WilliamReynish have objections?], thx for the report anyways!

Thx for pointing out, but to me this doesnt sound like a bug. - there is already a separator in the UI between [`Cut` `Hold Cut`] and [`Copy` `Paste` ...] - renaming a tool just because the name is used for different things (in different contexts) does not neccessarily make it better. - I mean it could be changed, but that sounds more like a feature request that could go to https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/ I will close this [unless @iss or @WilliamReynish have objections?], thx for the report anyways!

William Reynish commented

2019-08-16 11:29:18 +02:00

It’s not a bad point. Split certainly would remove ambiguity here.

tintwotin commented

2019-08-16 12:36:27 +02:00

Added subscriber: @tintwotin

tintwotin commented

2019-08-16 12:36:27 +02:00

+1 for split.

For the exact same reasons was Cut renamed to Split(as in separate) in the VSE Reworked Project, and then Cut could be used in the traditional cut/copy/paste sense(as in remove(extract/lift)):

Nb. on the shortcut, in ex. Premiere Ctrl+K is split active channels and Shift + K is split all channels. This way the industry standard of playing J(reverse), K(stop) and L(forward) can be preserved. Currently it is only K(for cut) which is the way for assigning the industry standard J,K&L playback controls. So maybe it is worth considering assigning Ctrl+K for Split.

+1 for split. For the exact same reasons was Cut renamed to Split(as in separate) in the VSE Reworked Project, and then Cut could be used in the traditional cut/copy/paste sense(as in remove(extract/lift)): ![image.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7667143/image.png) Nb. on the shortcut, in ex. Premiere Ctrl+K is split active channels and Shift + K is split all channels. This way the industry standard of playing J(reverse), K(stop) and L(forward) can be preserved. Currently it is only K(for cut) which is the way for assigning the industry standard J,K&L playback controls. So maybe it is worth considering assigning Ctrl+K for Split.

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-08-16 13:14:27 +02:00

Changed status from 'Archived' to: 'Open'

Philipp Oeser reopened this issue

2019-08-16 13:14:27 +02:00

Philipp Oeser removed their assignment 2019-08-16 13:14:27 +02:00

William Reynish was assigned by Philipp Oeser

2019-08-16 13:14:27 +02:00

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-08-16 13:14:27 +02:00

OKi, lets keep this open then.

Richard Antalik commented

2019-08-19 10:53:27 +02:00

You can rename this, or I want to work in this area soon so I can also.

Stephen Swaney commented

2019-08-20 16:42:04 +02:00

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Stephen Swaney commented

2019-08-20 16:42:04 +02:00

Cut is a term of art in the film and video editing world.
Are we building a video editor or a word processor?

Cut is a term of art in the film and video editing world. Are we building a video editor or a word processor?

Nathan Lovato commented

2019-08-20 17:18:37 +02:00

Added subscriber: @GDQuest

Nathan Lovato commented

2019-08-20 17:18:37 +02:00

I just put up a patch: https://developer.blender.org/D5542

Please tell me if I should rename variables and related functions in the source code too.

@StephenSwaney: in video editing programs, the operation can be called splitting clips, and the tool that allows that is the razor tool. It's the case in Olive, and in Adobe Premiere at least, probably in other tools as well.

I just put up a patch: https://developer.blender.org/D5542 Please tell me if I should rename variables and related functions in the source code too. @StephenSwaney: in video editing programs, the operation can be called splitting clips, and the tool that allows that is the razor tool. It's the case in Olive, and in Adobe Premiere at least, probably in other tools as well.

Matthew Wiebe commented

2019-11-04 20:28:18 +01:00

Added subscriber: @cerebral

Matthew Wiebe commented

2019-11-04 20:28:18 +01:00

I always thought it was K for Knife, like the knife tool for performing this sort of operation in the rest of Blender. Would it make sense to call it Knife for consistency?

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-12-20 11:42:50 +01:00

@GDQuest : thxfor the patch!

Since this gets positive feedback, I'll confirm this now (to get out of the "Needs Triage" limbo... but change to TODO, since it is not really a bug)

@iss: do you want to add this to {#69190}?

@GDQuest : thxfor the patch! Since this gets positive feedback, I'll confirm this now (to get out of the "Needs Triage" limbo... but change to TODO, since it is not really a bug) @iss: do you want to add this to {#69190}?

Bearcat M. Şándor commented

2020-05-11 23:23:39 +02:00

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Bearcat M. Şándor commented

2020-05-11 23:23:40 +02:00

In #68690#757104, @StephenSwaney wrote:
Cut is a term of art in the film and video editing world.
Are we building a video editor or a word processor?

1 for slice
Exactly @stiv. Why not just add the word "make" to it so that it becomes "Make Cut" or "Make Hold Cut". Alternatively, but longer, "Make [Film, Sequence] Cut" or "Make [Film, Sequence] Hold Cut"?

> In #68690#757104, @StephenSwaney wrote: > Cut is a term of art in the film and video editing world. > Are we building a video editor or a word processor? - 1 for slice Exactly @stiv. Why not just add the word "make" to it so that it becomes "Make Cut" or "Make Hold Cut". Alternatively, but longer, "Make [Film, Sequence] Cut" or "Make [Film, Sequence] Hold Cut"?

Richard Antalik commented

2020-05-12 10:05:56 +02:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

Richard Antalik closed this issue

2020-05-12 10:05:56 +02:00

Richard Antalik commented

2020-05-12 10:05:56 +02:00

This has been commited already by 819af2094b, so I will close this task

This has been commited already by 819af2094b, so I will close this task

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Cut function in sequencer confused with copy and paste and should be renamed into Split #68690