Unified object and geometry I/O handling #68935

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Dalai Felinto · 2019-08-20T22:46:18+02:00

Dalai Felinto commented

2019-08-20 22:46:18 +02:00

Motivation

Currently I/O for objects and geometry is primarily handled through import and exporter operators. But there are plans to extend this to:

Drag & drop
#68933 (Collections for Import/Export)
Geometry nodes
Asset system

For this we need a unified system to handle I/O for various file formats, to provide consistent functionality across these areas and avoid code duplication.

It will also make a better user interface for the import operator possible, with a single File > Import menu entry where you can then pick a file and see the appropriate options, without having to determine the file format first. Drag & drop similarly should be able to recognize the file type automatically.

Design Proposal

Add new IOHandler type that can be subclassed, similar to operators or render engines (maybe a better name can be found).

It would include:

List of file extensions (or method to determine if a filepath matches)
Method to create import / export settings
Method to make UI layout of import / export settings
Method to import a file
Method to export to a file
Method to provide metadata about file

The precise functionality needs to be determined by looking at the various use cases. But a few general points:

Settings:
Can be stored as ID properties. Potentially the defined properties may depend on the use case, for example an import operator may have additional properties relating to how it affects the scene, compared to collection I/O which may be more local.
Import:
** This could work similar to library linking .blend files. That is, importing would populate its own main database with datablocks. The operator, geometry node, assets system would then receive this main database and use, copy or link the datablocks as appropriate for each. This gives each use case more control over the ownership, and by not affecting the main .blend database there should be no side effects from running the import method.
Export:
Exporters typically export depsgraph evaluated scene data. They also have options for exporting only selections or the entire scene. There is some potential here for an abstraction that provides the relevant subset of evaluated scene data to the exporter, but the right API for this is not obvious. On the other hand for syncing with Omniverse or other collaborative tools, the data you import and export needs to match, so then you might be exporting original scene data? This might be something we do for USD only and after the basic I/O handler is in place, it's unclear if this would be part of the same system and how it would fit in.
Assets:
Currently assets must always be datablocks from .blend files, but ideally any importable file would be indexable by the asset browsers as well. For this it's important to be able to quickly read metadata, maybe read or generate a preview image. Being able to get the file as a set of datablocks in a database could allow reusing existing code more. Even image files could be read as an image datablock for example. However the asset system might already have plans for its own abstractions here, we need to check how it fits.

## Motivation Currently I/O for objects and geometry is primarily handled through import and exporter operators. But there are plans to extend this to: * Drag & drop * #68933 (Collections for Import/Export) * Geometry nodes * Asset system For this we need a unified system to handle I/O for various file formats, to provide consistent functionality across these areas and avoid code duplication. It will also make a better user interface for the import operator possible, with a single `File > Import` menu entry where you can then pick a file and see the appropriate options, without having to determine the file format first. Drag & drop similarly should be able to recognize the file type automatically. ## Design Proposal Add new `IOHandler` type that can be subclassed, similar to operators or render engines (maybe a better name can be found). It would include: * List of file extensions (or method to determine if a filepath matches) * Method to create import / export settings * Method to make UI layout of import / export settings * Method to import a file * Method to export to a file * Method to provide metadata about file The precise functionality needs to be determined by looking at the various use cases. But a few general points: * Settings: **Can be stored as ID properties.** Potentially the defined properties may depend on the use case, for example an import operator may have additional properties relating to how it affects the scene, compared to collection I/O which may be more local. * Import: ** This could work similar to library linking .blend files. That is, importing would populate its own main database with datablocks. The operator, geometry node, assets system would then receive this main database and use, copy or link the datablocks as appropriate for each. This gives each use case more control over the ownership, and by not affecting the main .blend database there should be no side effects from running the import method. * Export: **Exporters typically export depsgraph evaluated scene data. They also have options for exporting only selections or the entire scene. There is some potential here for an abstraction that provides the relevant subset of evaluated scene data to the exporter, but the right API for this is not obvious.** On the other hand for syncing with Omniverse or other collaborative tools, the data you import and export needs to match, so then you might be exporting original scene data? This might be something we do for USD only and after the basic I/O handler is in place, it's unclear if this would be part of the same system and how it would fit in. * Assets: **Currently assets must always be datablocks from .blend files, but ideally any importable file would be indexable by the asset browsers as well. For this it's important to be able to quickly read metadata, maybe read or generate a preview image.** Being able to get the file as a set of datablocks in a database could allow reusing existing code more. Even image files could be read as an image datablock for example. However the asset system might already have plans for its own abstractions here, we need to check how it fits.

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Dalai Felinto commented

2019-08-20 22:46:18 +02:00

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2019-08-29 23:50:56 +02:00

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Alexander commented

2020-02-20 00:16:05 +01:00

Nice! Another thing that can be really handy is to be able to see shortcut folders as they are currently not available and when you try to import something you have to fish throughout your regular folders to get to that specific one to which you have a shortcut on your desktop but can't really use in Blender at the moment.

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Lsscpp commented

2020-06-13 01:07:55 +02:00

Users should be able to File > Import, and pick a file, and from that on they get to pick the options for that format.

This should be valid also for exporting

> Users should be able to File > Import, and pick a file, and from that on they get to pick the options for that format. This should be valid also for exporting

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Julian Eisel commented

2021-04-07 16:07:59 +02:00

This popped up on my radar...

Making the File Browser more dynamic (show settings based on active file type) is quite important I think, not just for importers but for the VSE as well. Unfortunately it's not easy to do since a lot of File Browser code assumes the old design.

For drag and drop, this also isn't as easy as it may seem, see #44670 for details and an explanation of how it should be done in my opinion.

This popped up on my radar... Making the File Browser more dynamic (show settings based on active file type) is quite important I think, not just for importers but for the VSE as well. Unfortunately it's not easy to do since a lot of File Browser code assumes the old design. For drag and drop, this also isn't as easy as it may seem, see #44670 for details and an explanation of how it should be done in my opinion.

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john fredy astudillo moreno commented

2021-12-17 00:52:47 +01:00

genial, esto es muy necesario.

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Brecht Van Lommel changed title from ~~Unifying I/O importing and drag and drop~~ to Unified object and geometry I/O handling

2022-12-01 17:40:34 +01:00

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Erik Abrahamsson commented

2022-12-01 18:01:00 +01:00

One thing to keep in mind is that multiple plugins could use the same file formats so there needs to be some option for that too.

Julian Eisel commented

2022-12-01 18:53:09 +01:00

Since the asset system is mentioned here:

While it's true that the asset system currently requires assets to be data-blocks (as in IDs), we're moving away from that more and more. The asset system design foresees to only represent assets as a package for arbitrary data (important step: {1efc94bb2f7b}), with enough information to present it to the user and invoke the wanted behavior via some callbacks/interfaces. For example assets can already be loaded from the asset index json files, and only when actually dragging in the asset we call the ID link/append code.

Asset libraries are un-opinionated containers, so add-ons (or core code of course) can populate them however they like. They could just include IO files, or the user manually tells Blender to treat certain files as assets. This code would also provide the callbacks (e.g. for importing/applying the asset, regenerating the preview, visualizing drag & drop, etc).

Fast access to asset metadata is indeed important. If the file format supports metadata well this can be used. For others we discussed sidecar files.

Other thing, IOHandler sounds a bit ambiguous, could also be some file system interface, socket connection or some other data communication system. Maybe ImportExportFormatHandler or so.

Since the asset system is mentioned here: While it's true that the asset system currently requires assets to be data-blocks (as in IDs), we're moving away from that more and more. The asset system design foresees to only represent assets as a package for arbitrary data (important step: {1efc94bb2f7b}), with enough information to present it to the user and invoke the wanted behavior via some callbacks/interfaces. For example assets can already be loaded from the asset index json files, and only when actually dragging in the asset we call the ID link/append code. Asset libraries are un-opinionated containers, so add-ons (or core code of course) can populate them however they like. They could just include IO files, or the user manually tells Blender to treat certain files as assets. This code would also provide the callbacks (e.g. for importing/applying the asset, regenerating the preview, visualizing drag & drop, etc). Fast access to asset metadata is indeed important. If the file format supports metadata well this can be used. For others we discussed sidecar files. --- Other thing, `IOHandler` sounds a bit ambiguous, could also be some file system interface, socket connection or some other data communication system. Maybe `ImportExportFormatHandler` or so.

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Unified object and geometry I/O handling #68935

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