First selected object in Outliner is active one, while it is the last selected one that becomes active in 3DView #69505

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Fouad Hafiz · 2019-09-04T21:52:32+02:00

Fouad Hafiz commented

2019-09-04 21:52:32 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 436.02

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 5), branch: master, commit date: 2019-09-03 16:04, hash: b3b59e3b56
Worked: (optional)

Short description of error
The parenting behavior is backwards in the outliner. When parenting objects in the outliner, the active object becomes the child instead of the parent.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

Create two objects and attempt to create a parent relationship using CTRL+P

[Based on the default startup or an attached .blend file (as simple as possible)]

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 436.02 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 5), branch: master, commit date: 2019-09-03 16:04, hash: `b3b59e3b56` Worked: (optional) **Short description of error** The parenting behavior is backwards in the outliner. When parenting objects in the outliner, the active object becomes the child instead of the parent. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Create two objects and attempt to create a parent relationship using CTRL+P [Based on the default startup or an attached .blend file (as simple as possible)]

Fouad Hafiz commented

2019-09-04 21:52:32 +02:00

Added subscriber: @foodi-4

Fouad Hafiz changed title from ~~Parneting behaviour is backwards in the outliner~~ to Parenting behaviour is backwards in the outliner

2019-09-04 21:52:47 +02:00

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-09-05 12:00:47 +02:00

Added subscriber: @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-09-05 12:00:47 +02:00

Not sure how you do this, afaict, there is no CTRL+P in the outliner...

Do you have this shortcut with Factory Settings as well?
Or did you add this yourself?
Which keyconfig are you using?

Not sure how you do this, afaict, there is no CTRL+P in the outliner... Do you have this shortcut with Factory Settings as well? Or did you add this yourself? Which keyconfig are you using?

Fouad Hafiz commented

2019-09-05 19:00:42 +02:00

You're correct, you can't do CTRL+P in the outliner. I'm using default key config.

This was my sequence of events:

Make the selections in the outliner: select the child object, followed by the parent object, while holding down SHIFT.
Move the mouse cursor back to the 3D View, and hit CTRL+P>Object(Keep Transform)
The parent relationship is created, except it's backwards. The object selected first becomes the parent, instead of the child as you would expect.

You're correct, you can't do CTRL+P in the outliner. I'm using default key config. This was my sequence of events: Make the selections in the outliner: select the child object, followed by the parent object, while holding down SHIFT. Move the mouse cursor back to the 3D View, and hit CTRL+P>Object(Keep Transform) The parent relationship is created, except it's backwards. The object selected *first* becomes the *parent*, instead of the *child* as you would expect.

Bastien Montagne commented

2019-09-16 22:05:30 +02:00

Added subscribers: @WilliamReynish, @natecraddock, @JulianEisel, @mont29

Bastien Montagne commented

2019-09-16 22:05:30 +02:00

@WilliamReynish @Zachman @JulianEisel Indeed in the outliner, the first selected object will be active one, while in 3DView it's always the last selected one that becomes active… Not sure whether we want to change that behavior or not?

Bastien Montagne changed title from ~~Parenting behaviour is backwards in the outliner~~ to First selected object in Outliner is active one, while it is the last selected one that becomes active in 3DView

2019-09-16 22:06:42 +02:00

William Reynish commented

2019-09-16 22:38:09 +02:00

@mont29 I guess we should make it consistent. It only really makes sense to parent the selected items to the active one I think.

Bastien Montagne commented

2019-09-16 23:06:46 +02:00

@WilliamReynish parenting is totally unrelated to the issue here really… It just reveals the inconsistency in selection order (which confuses users):

If you select multiple objects from the Outliner, the first selected one is the active one.
If you select multiple objects from the 3DView, the last selected one is the active one.

@WilliamReynish parenting is totally unrelated to the issue here really… It just reveals the inconsistency in selection order (which confuses users): * If you select multiple objects from the Outliner, the **first** selected one is the active one. * If you select multiple objects from the 3DView, the **last** selected one is the active one.

William Reynish commented

2019-09-16 23:10:10 +02:00

@mont29 ah yes. @Zachman is working on exactly that, also so that walk selecting can change the active item. It required refactoring selecting vs activation.

Nathan Craddock commented

2019-09-16 23:15:43 +02:00

I discussed this report earlier today with the author (he messaged me on Twitter). The real issue was the use of Shift+LMB for selection in the outliner. Shift is the modifier key for doing a range select. When there is an active outliner element, range select will not activate any elements. Ctrl is the modifier for extending selection + activation (equivalent to Shift click in 3D view).

So selecting in the outliner Cube.001 then Cube.002 with a Ctrl+click would indeed make the second selection (Cube.002) active.

I discussed this report earlier today with the author (he messaged me on Twitter). The real issue was the use of Shift+LMB for selection in the outliner. Shift is the modifier key for doing a range select. When there is an active outliner element, range select will not activate any elements. Ctrl is the modifier for extending selection + activation (equivalent to Shift click in 3D view). So selecting in the outliner Cube.001 then Cube.002 with a Ctrl+click would indeed make the second selection (Cube.002) active.

Malcolm Reed commented

2019-09-24 11:29:26 +02:00

Added subscriber: @reed2000