Regression: Cycles Viewlayer - Holdout not renderable without casting shadows and reflections #70668

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Marcus Papathoma · 2019-10-09T10:51:06+02:00

Marcus Papathoma commented

2019-10-09 10:51:06 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 436.02

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 14), branch: master, commit date: 2019-10-08 22:16, hash: 0812949bbc
Worked: 2.79b

Short description of error
Regression: Cycles Viewlayer - Holdout not renderable without casting shadows and reflections
In Blender 2.79b it was possible to have a holdout (mask layer) and exclude it form illumination

This was the renderlayer config

This isn´t possible in 2.8x anymore.
In 2.8x the object that is masked (holdout) is always used in illumination calculation.
Rendering from 2.81

You see the reflection and the shadow of the red masked cube.
Both following viewlayer configurations do the same.

If you think logical, the configuration in the last image should not calculate illumination for this viewlayer, becauseindirect illumination is off!

If holdout and indirect only are off the layer is calculated normal.
If holdout is on then indirect only off/on should have an effect!

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Open the attached blend file for blender 2.8
cycles_indirect_holdout_280.blend
Activate Vieport rendering
You see that the red cube is masked out but shadows and reflections are calculated for it on the other cubes. Activate Indirect only next to the holdout icon in the outliner.

Nothing happens.

Open the attached blend file for blender 2.79b.
cycles_indirect_holdout_279.blend
Click on Render > Render Image
You get this result. No reflection and no shadow from the masked cube.

Deaktivate Exclude for layer three in the layer tab.

Render the image again. As expected the masked cube is calculated and casts shadows and reflections on the other cubes.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 436.02 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.81 (sub 14), branch: master, commit date: 2019-10-08 22:16, hash: `0812949bbc` Worked: 2.79b **Short description of error** Regression: Cycles Viewlayer - Holdout not renderable without casting shadows and reflections In Blender 2.79b it was possible to have a holdout (mask layer) and exclude it form illumination ![cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_without_indirect.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798465/cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_without_indirect.jpg) This was the renderlayer config ![cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_without_indirect_layer_config.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798469/cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_without_indirect_layer_config.jpg) This isn´t possible in 2.8x anymore. In 2.8x the object that is masked (holdout) is always used in illumination calculation. Rendering from 2.81 ![cycles_holdout_indrect_blender280_mask_with_indirect.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798474/cycles_holdout_indrect_blender280_mask_with_indirect.png) You see the reflection and the shadow of the red masked cube. Both following viewlayer configurations do the same. ![cycles_holdout_indrect_blender280_mask_with_indirect_layer_config.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798482/cycles_holdout_indrect_blender280_mask_with_indirect_layer_config.jpg) ![cycles_holdout_indrect_blender280_mask_without_indirect_layer_config.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798488/cycles_holdout_indrect_blender280_mask_without_indirect_layer_config.jpg) If you think logical, the configuration in the last image **should not calculate** illumination for this viewlayer, because**indirect illumination is off!** If holdout and indirect only are off the layer is calculated normal. **If holdout is on then indirect only off/on should have an effect!** **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Open the attached blend file for blender 2.8 [cycles_indirect_holdout_280.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798501/cycles_indirect_holdout_280.blend) Activate Vieport rendering You see that the red cube is masked out but shadows and reflections are calculated for it on the other cubes. Activate Indirect only next to the holdout icon in the outliner. ![cycles_holdout_indrect_blender280_mask_with_indirect_layer_config2.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798507/cycles_holdout_indrect_blender280_mask_with_indirect_layer_config2.jpg) Nothing happens. Open the attached blend file for blender 2.79b. [cycles_indirect_holdout_279.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798509/cycles_indirect_holdout_279.blend) Click on Render > Render Image You get this result. No reflection and no shadow from the masked cube. ![cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_without_indirect.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798512/cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_without_indirect.jpg) Deaktivate Exclude for layer three in the layer tab. ![cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_with_indirect2.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798514/cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_with_indirect2.jpg) Render the image again. As expected the masked cube is calculated and casts shadows and reflections on the other cubes. ![cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_with_indirect.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F7798516/cycles_holdout_indrect_blender279_mask_with_indirect.jpg)

Marcus Papathoma commented

2019-10-09 10:51:06 +02:00

Added subscriber: @machieb

Rainer Trummer commented

2019-10-09 13:15:01 +02:00

Added subscriber: @RainerTrummer

Marcus Papathoma changed title from ~~Regression: Cycles Viewlayer - Holdout not renderable without casting shadows and casting reflections~~ to Regression: Cycles Viewlayer - Holdout not renderable without casting shadows and reflections

2019-10-09 13:41:31 +02:00

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-10-10 16:14:36 +02:00

Added subscribers: @brecht, @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-10-10 16:14:36 +02:00

There were #66362 and #66004 and if I understand correctly, this is a known limitation atm.

In #66362#713396, @brecht wrote:
The behavior regarding exclude is a known limitation at the moment, there is a comment in the code about it. The dependency graph does not evaluate the excluded objects at all so this requires a different design.

@brecht: do you want to keep this one task open for this?
I will put this on Normal prio as TODO type, but feel free to close if this is on the radar anyways...

There were #66362 and #66004 and if I understand correctly, this is a known limitation atm. > In #66362#713396, @brecht wrote: > The behavior regarding exclude is a known limitation at the moment, there is a comment in the code about it. The dependency graph does not evaluate the excluded objects at all so this requires a different design. @brecht: do you want to keep this one task open for this? I will put this on Normal prio as TODO type, but feel free to close if this is on the radar anyways...

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2019-10-10 16:20:28 +02:00

Closed as duplicate of #66362

Brecht Van Lommel closed this issue

2019-10-10 16:20:28 +02:00

Daniele De Luca commented

2021-07-13 23:46:59 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Sparazza

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Regression: Cycles Viewlayer - Holdout not renderable without casting shadows and reflections #70668