Grease Pencil will not create new keyframe when using eraser tool #74608

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Pierson Mason · 2020-03-10T09:11:35+01:00

Pierson Mason commented

2020-03-10 09:11:35 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: Radeon RX 580 Series ATI Technologies Inc. 4.5.13571 Core Profile Context 19.9.2 26.20.13003.1007

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.83 (sub 7), branch: master, commit date: 2020-03-09 22:23, hash: fbe81db29a
Worked: 2.82{F8398631}

Short description of error
Instead of Creating a new Keyframe in grease Pencil When using the eraser tool, Changes made to the Drawing will be applied to the previous keyframe

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

from the splash screen open a 2D animation new File
use the draw tool to draw as realistic a dragon you can
advance at least one frame and us the erase tool on your drawing

this should result in the keyframe closest previous keyframe being edited rather than creating a new keyframe like it would in 2.8

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: Radeon RX 580 Series ATI Technologies Inc. 4.5.13571 Core Profile Context 19.9.2 26.20.13003.1007 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.83 (sub 7), branch: master, commit date: 2020-03-09 22:23, hash: `fbe81db29a` Worked: 2.82{[F8398631](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8398631/GreasePencilKeyframeBug_2.83.blend)} **Short description of error** Instead of Creating a new Keyframe in grease Pencil When using the eraser tool, Changes made to the Drawing will be applied to the previous keyframe **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** 1. from the splash screen open a 2D animation new File 2. use the draw tool to draw as realistic a dragon you can 3. advance at least one frame and us the erase tool on your drawing - this should result in the keyframe closest previous keyframe being edited rather than creating a new keyframe like it would in 2.8

Pierson Mason commented

2020-03-10 09:11:35 +01:00

Added subscriber: @SpikedPie

Antonio Vazquez commented

2020-03-10 18:26:27 +01:00

Added subscribers: @mendio, @pepe-school-land, @antoniov

Antonio Vazquez commented

2020-03-10 18:26:27 +01:00

This was a design decission. Before when you used the eraser you could create a new frame, but now the eraser never creates a new frame, only erase the existing one. There are a lot of implications in this decission.

@mendio @pepe-school-land We decided to go in this way, but we could consider a change here? how?

This was a design decission. Before when you used the eraser you could create a new frame, but now the eraser never creates a new frame, only erase the existing one. There are a lot of implications in this decission. @mendio @pepe-school-land We decided to go in this way, but we could consider a change here? how?

Antonio Vazquez commented

2020-03-10 18:27:30 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Confirmed'

Pierson Mason commented

2020-03-10 23:29:13 +01:00

Could the eraser tool adding keyframes be added as a selectable option? It'd be similar to how the additive animation option works with the draw tool.

It's uncomfortable to have to reach up and go through the options to duplicate the frame when I'm used to just clicking my eraser's hot key. I'd be grateful to At least have the "old method" available as an option, like how you can still use right click select.

I love the new options grease pencil has and appreciate all the work that had gone into making it more powerful. Thank you guys for considering this

Could the eraser tool adding keyframes be added as a selectable option? It'd be similar to how the additive animation option works with the draw tool. It's uncomfortable to have to reach up and go through the options to duplicate the frame when I'm used to just clicking my eraser's hot key. I'd be grateful to At least have the "old method" available as an option, like how you can still use right click select. I love the new options grease pencil has and appreciate all the work that had gone into making it more powerful. Thank you guys for considering this

Antonio Vazquez commented

2020-03-11 10:18:33 +01:00

You could use the I key to duplicate frame:

You could use the `I` key to duplicate frame: ![image.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8400435/image.png)

Daniel Martinez Lara commented

2020-03-11 11:34:04 +01:00

Yes, basically that kind of functionality is centralized in the I key menu

Yes, basically that kind of functionality is centralized in the `I` key menu

Antonio Vazquez commented

2020-03-11 17:15:29 +01:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

Antonio Vazquez closed this issue

2020-03-11 17:15:29 +01:00

Antonio Vazquez self-assigned this 2020-03-11 17:15:29 +01:00

Antonio Vazquez commented

2020-03-11 17:15:29 +01:00

Thanks for your report. As this is a design decission and not a bug, due the tracker policy I have to close the task report.

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2020-05-19 22:10:20 +02:00

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2020-05-19 22:10:20 +02:00

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I hope this is the right place to talk about it:

TL;DR: Automatically create a new frame when using the eraser was saving a lot of time.

Let's say we have the grease pencil drawing of someone from torso to head. The GP is composed of 2 layers: one for lines, one for fills.

Now we want to have this character's head turn to the right.

Old workflow (assuming "auto-lock inactive layer" is checked):

go to a new frame, hide fills
erase from neck to the top of the head
draw new keyframe
unhide fills and select this layer
erase everything that's not within the lines
fill
Done.

New workflow:

Go to a new frame, hide fills
go to draw -> animation -> insert keyframe
erase from neck to the top of the head
draw new keyframe
unhide fills and select this layer
click on "isolate layer" so you won't erase lines
erase everything that's not within the lines
fill
unisolate layer
Done.

The new workflow, even with quick favorite shortcuts, implies actions that weren't necessary before. Moreover, this requires to have 4 quick favorite shortcuts and plan ahead a lot more than before to know whether you have to duplicate all layers or just one or create a blank frame of all layers or just one.

With the old workflow you just had to erase lines on a layer. Then fill or not. There was no need to plan any further

If fills are not needed, no keyframe were created for fills. So you didn't have to eliminate keyframe or plan ahead. In other words, the old workflow was perfectly straightforward.

It might be that my workflow is wrong on some levels. I am open to critics and would like to learn if I can do better. I thank you for your time (and for the grease pencil and the refactor, which are remarkable works that I am now using daily).

I hope this is the right place to talk about it: TL;DR: Automatically create a new frame when using the eraser was saving a lot of time. Let's say we have the grease pencil drawing of someone from torso to head. The GP is composed of 2 layers: one for lines, one for fills. Now we want to have this character's head turn to the right. Old workflow (assuming "auto-lock inactive layer" is checked): - go to a new frame, hide fills - erase from neck to the top of the head - draw new keyframe - unhide fills and select this layer - erase everything that's not within the lines - fill Done. New workflow: - Go to a new frame, hide fills - go to draw -> animation -> insert keyframe - erase from neck to the top of the head - draw new keyframe - unhide fills and select this layer - click on "isolate layer" so you won't erase lines - erase everything that's not within the lines - fill - unisolate layer Done. The new workflow, even with quick favorite shortcuts, implies actions that weren't necessary before. Moreover, this requires to have 4 quick favorite shortcuts and plan ahead a lot more than before to know whether you have to duplicate all layers or just one or create a blank frame of all layers or just one. With the old workflow you just had to erase lines on a layer. Then fill or not. There was no need to plan any further If fills are not needed, no keyframe were created for fills. So you didn't have to eliminate keyframe or plan ahead. In other words, the old workflow was perfectly straightforward. It might be that my workflow is wrong on some levels. I am open to critics and would like to learn if I can do better. I thank you for your time (and for the grease pencil and the refactor, which are remarkable works that I am now using daily).

Antonio Vazquez commented

2020-05-20 19:56:23 +02:00

@Braisque I have added a patch with a fix for your request. Pending of review.

blender-admin commented

2020-05-20 20:33:35 +02:00

This issue was referenced by 29afadcb15

This issue was referenced by 29afadcb15f71119f70f77bcf32c8e54c7614576

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2020-05-21 17:37:13 +02:00

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@antoniov Thank you so much!

Jamiro commented

2021-01-09 12:44:21 +01:00

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2021-01-09 12:44:21 +01:00

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Grease Pencil will not create new keyframe when using eraser tool #74608