Bone selection behaves poorly #75425

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Thomas · 2020-04-06T02:39:38+02:00

Thomas commented

2020-04-06 02:39:38 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 970/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 432.00

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.82 (sub 7), branch: master, commit date: 2020-03-12 05:06, hash: 375c7dc4ca
Worked: version: 2.81

Short description of error
Since version 2.82 the bone selection behavior has changed so that it is unnecessarily hard or even impossible to select certain bones.

Old behavior: Bones were selected if the area or edge of a bone was clicked. If multiple bones of different size are stacked inside of each other, it was easy to select any of them with a single click.
New behavior: The bone selection cycles through all the bones below the mouse cursor, starting with the biggest(?), regardless of the area that was clicked. If the cursor is moved between clicks the cycle starts anew, no matter which bone was selected last. This way several clicks are needed almost everytime to select the intended bone.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

The attached file includes a setup of three bones.

In pose mode it needs three clicks to select the smallest.
In edit mode it's completely impossible to click-select the smallest bone.
(box/circle/lasso select kinda work but trying to select a single bone with those should not be a thing)

boneSelection.blend

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18362-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 970/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 432.00 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.82 (sub 7), branch: master, commit date: 2020-03-12 05:06, hash: `375c7dc4ca` Worked: version: 2.81 **Short description of error** Since version 2.82 the bone selection behavior has changed so that it is unnecessarily hard or even impossible to select certain bones. Old behavior: Bones were selected if the area or edge of a bone was clicked. If multiple bones of different size are stacked inside of each other, it was easy to select any of them with a single click. New behavior: The bone selection cycles through all the bones below the mouse cursor, starting with the biggest(?), regardless of the area that was clicked. If the cursor is moved between clicks the cycle starts anew, no matter which bone was selected last. This way several clicks are needed almost everytime to select the intended bone. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** The attached file includes a setup of three bones. - In pose mode it needs three clicks to select the smallest. - In edit mode it's completely impossible to click-select the smallest bone. (box/circle/lasso select kinda work but trying to select a single bone with those should not be a thing) [boneSelection.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8451821/boneSelection.blend)

Thomas commented

2020-04-06 02:39:38 +02:00

Added subscriber: @TomL

blender-admin commented

2020-04-06 02:39:38 +02:00

#79024 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Germano Cavalcante commented

2020-04-06 22:02:54 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Confirmed'

Campbell Barton self-assigned this 2020-04-09 02:56:20 +02:00

blender-admin commented

2020-04-09 10:35:01 +02:00

This issue was referenced by bd59781c66

This issue was referenced by bd59781c66e15617b5c0cccfb07b2c0e3079b210

Campbell Barton commented

2020-04-09 10:52:23 +02:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

Campbell Barton closed this issue

2020-04-09 10:52:23 +02:00

msalv commented

2020-04-15 22:08:11 +02:00

Added subscriber: @moisessalvador

msalv commented

2020-04-15 22:08:11 +02:00

This only solves the cycling, but not what bone is supposed to be selected first for both pose mode and edit mode. If a bone is inside another and your mouse is over the smaller bone inside, the old behavour would be for the smaller bone inside to be selected first. This new behaviour makes it harder in some rigging scenarios where the order of active or selected bones matter.

Floreum commented

2020-04-15 22:12:05 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Floreum

Floreum commented

2020-04-15 22:25:51 +02:00

I've made a little demonstration of how selecting overlapping bones currently works versus how it used to work in 2.80. This behavior is in both edit and pose mode which makes creating parenting or constraints tricky to do.
BlenderSelectionBug.mp4

I've made a little demonstration of how selecting overlapping bones currently works versus how it used to work in 2.80. This behavior is in both edit and pose mode which makes creating parenting or constraints tricky to do. [BlenderSelectionBug.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8475688/BlenderSelectionBug.mp4)

Thomas commented

2020-04-17 15:28:46 +02:00

Glad i'm not the only one struggling with this.
Another case where the new selection system fails is when you use left click select and a gizmo is active. Since you can't select the specific bone you want with a single click anymore, the gizmo will now appear under the cursor and you can't start cycling through bones. This leaves you with scrolling, rotating around the bones or tool changing to either find an angle where the gizmo is not in your way or get rid of the gizmo for a moment.
The old selection understood and supported the users actions. The change feels like a huge step backwards, making selections tedious and more time consuming. By the amount of selections that are made while rigging this really adds up.

Glad i'm not the only one struggling with this. Another case where the new selection system fails is when you use left click select and a gizmo is active. Since you can't select the specific bone you want with a single click anymore, the gizmo will now appear under the cursor and you can't start cycling through bones. This leaves you with scrolling, rotating around the bones or tool changing to either find an angle where the gizmo is not in your way or get rid of the gizmo for a moment. The old selection understood and supported the users actions. The change feels like a huge step backwards, making selections tedious and more time consuming. By the amount of selections that are made while rigging this really adds up.

CobraA commented

2020-04-22 03:51:47 +02:00

Added subscribers: @dfelinto, @CobraA

CobraA commented

2020-04-22 03:51:47 +02:00

In #75425#910749, @Floreum wrote:
I've made a little demonstration of how selecting overlapping bones currently works versus how it used to work in 2.80. This behavior is in both edit and pose mode which makes creating parenting or constraints tricky to do.
BlenderSelectionBug.mp4

Yep this doesn't seem to be resolved at all, it's actually cascaded to 2.83 & 2.90, the 2.81 has the "correct" proper way.
@dfelinto Can you guys re-take a look at this?

> In #75425#910749, @Floreum wrote: > I've made a little demonstration of how selecting overlapping bones currently works versus how it used to work in 2.80. This behavior is in both edit and pose mode which makes creating parenting or constraints tricky to do. > [BlenderSelectionBug.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8475688/BlenderSelectionBug.mp4) Yep this doesn't seem to be resolved at all, it's actually cascaded to 2.83 & 2.90, the 2.81 has the "correct" proper way. @dfelinto Can you guys re-take a look at this?

SecuoyaEx commented

2020-07-15 12:46:59 +02:00

Added subscriber: @SecuoyaEx

SecuoyaEx commented

2020-07-15 12:46:59 +02:00

Whatever happened to this? What we're asking is simple. Let bones be selectable by the closest wire to the mouse cursor, like Objects in wireframe mode already are, not just by their closest zdepth surface.

Why is this a problem? Because it means that everything BUT bones are selectable by their wire. And you guys like consistency, right? That oughta convince ya 😏

And changing the viewport display mode of the object does nothing, so that doesn't help either. It should work on both wireframe shading and per object wireframe display, no brainer.

Whatever happened to this? What we're asking is simple. Let bones be selectable by the closest wire to the mouse cursor, like Objects in wireframe mode already are, not just by their closest zdepth surface. Why is this a problem? Because it means that everything BUT bones are selectable by their wire. And you guys like consistency, right? That oughta convince ya 😏 And changing the viewport display mode of the object does nothing, so that doesn't help either. It should work on both wireframe shading and per object wireframe display, no brainer.

Richard Antalik commented

2020-07-22 03:14:33 +02:00

Added subscribers: @LDsanya, @mano-wii

Campbell Barton commented

2020-07-22 04:25:40 +02:00

In edit mode it's completely impossible to click-select the smallest bone.

This has been solved. Re-opening #79024 since it describes the other issue.

> In edit mode it's completely impossible to click-select the smallest bone. This has been solved. Re-opening #79024 since it describes the other issue.

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Bone selection behaves poorly #75425