V2.90 how to move object and not origin ? #82041

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Bruno · 2020-10-25T00:13:53+02:00

Bruno commented

2020-10-25 00:13:53 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Linux Fedora 32
Graphics card:

Blender Version
2.90

Short description of error

First install, first running : how to juste move the default cube ?
Grab function just move the origin of the active cube, but impossible to move the cube...
...unless you activate the "Transform affects origin" checkbox in the Properties Panel _ Active Tool...
And yet, the transformation is inverted (i.e. : grab the object in the other way round)

**System Information** Operating system: Linux Fedora 32 Graphics card: **Blender Version** 2.90 **Short description of error** First install, first running : how to juste move the default cube ? Grab function just move the origin of the active cube, but impossible to move the cube... ...unless you activate the "Transform affects origin" checkbox in the Properties Panel _ Active Tool... And yet, the transformation is inverted (i.e. : grab the object in the other way round)

Bruno commented

2020-10-25 00:13:53 +02:00

Added subscriber: @brunocanty

Roger B commented

2020-10-25 00:35:58 +02:00

Added subscriber: @rboxman

Roger B commented

2020-10-25 00:35:58 +02:00

I've seen this before myself and it relates to your graphics (either driver or hardware). In the blender folder there should be a file called blender-softwaregl, try running that and report back if it works correctly.

Additionally, using the regular blender executable, please also attach the system info file which can be generated from Help -> Save System Info

I've seen this before myself and it relates to your graphics (either driver or hardware). In the blender folder there should be a file called `blender-softwaregl`, try running that and report back if it works correctly. Additionally, using the regular `blender` executable, please also attach the system info file which can be generated from `Help -> Save System Info`

Bruno commented

2020-10-25 20:48:24 +01:00

blender-2.90-system-info.txt

It works with "blender-softwaregl". My graphic engine is OpenGL, perhaps that's the fact !
What is the difference for the End User between generic "blender" and "blender-softwaregl" ? Are there some functionnalities missing in the second one ?

[blender-2.90-system-info.txt](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F9090539/blender-2.90-system-info.txt) It works with "blender-softwaregl". My graphic engine is OpenGL, perhaps that's the fact ! What is the difference for the End User between generic "blender" and "blender-softwaregl" ? Are there some functionnalities missing in the second one ?

Roger B commented

2020-10-25 21:43:16 +01:00

Added subscribers: @fclem, @Jeroen-Bakker

Roger B commented

2020-10-25 21:43:16 +01:00

We will have to wait for @fclem or @Jeroen-Bakker to chime in. It's a really odd bug to say the least but I also experience this on a ubuntu 20 VM I have running on the side.

It could be a mesa 20.x driver problem. Your renderer is:

renderer:	'llvmpipe (LLVM 10.0.0, 256 bits)'
vendor:		'VMware, Inc.'
version:	'3.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 20.1.6'

The softwaregl version is hardcoded to use Mesa 18 (this can be seen if you generate the system info file when running that executable).

Functionally blender-softwaregl is the same, however it's massively slower and unsupported in general; except when troubleshooting issues like this.

We will have to wait for @fclem or @Jeroen-Bakker to chime in. It's a really odd bug to say the least but I also experience this on a ubuntu 20 VM I have running on the side. It could be a mesa 20.x driver problem. Your renderer is: ``` renderer: 'llvmpipe (LLVM 10.0.0, 256 bits)' vendor: 'VMware, Inc.' version: '3.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 20.1.6' ``` The softwaregl version is hardcoded to use Mesa 18 (this can be seen if you generate the system info file when running that executable). Functionally `blender-softwaregl` is the same, however it's massively slower and unsupported in general; _except_ when troubleshooting issues like this.

Bruno commented

2020-10-26 09:05:24 +01:00

Ok, thanks for all of those explanations, Roger, and let's wait for the fixing updates.
See you, and greatings for all the team over there in this rough period !!

Ok, thanks for all of those explanations, Roger, and let's wait for the fixing updates. See you, and greatings for all the team over there in this rough period !!

Robert Guetzkow commented

2020-10-26 10:20:55 +01:00

Added subscriber: @rjg

Robert Guetzkow commented

2020-10-26 10:20:55 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Archived'

Robert Guetzkow closed this issue

2020-10-26 10:20:55 +01:00

Robert Guetzkow self-assigned this 2020-10-26 10:20:55 +01:00

Robert Guetzkow commented

2020-10-26 10:20:55 +01:00

@rboxman @brunocanty Blender requires a supported GPU as listed in the minimum requirements to function properly. The llvmpipe is a software renderer and not officially supported (see #67024, #72637).

Supported Graphics Cards

NVIDIA: GeForce 400 and newer, Quadro Tesla GPU architecture and newer, including RTX-based cards, with NVIDIA drivers (list of all [GeForce ]] and [ https:*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Quadro#Quadro_FX_(with_CUDA_and_OpenCL,_but_no_Vulkan) | Quadro GPUs)

AMD: GCN 1st gen and newer (list of all AMD GPUs )

Intel: Haswell and newer (list of all Intel GPUs )

macOS: version 10.13 or newer with supported hardware

Should you be trying to run Blender in a VM, you will likely need a separate, dedicated GPU for PCI passthrough.

@rboxman @brunocanty Blender requires a supported GPU as listed in the [minimum requirements ](https://www.blender.org/download/requirements/) to function properly. The llvmpipe is a software renderer and not officially supported (see #67024, #72637). > **Supported Graphics Cards** > - **NVIDIA**: GeForce 400 and newer, Quadro Tesla GPU architecture and newer, including RTX-based cards, with NVIDIA drivers (list of all [GeForce ]] and [[ https:*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Quadro#Quadro_FX_(with_CUDA_and_OpenCL,_but_no_Vulkan) | Quadro ](https:*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce#GeForce_400_series_and_500_series) GPUs) > - **AMD**: GCN 1st gen and newer ([list of all AMD GPUs ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units)) > - **Intel**: Haswell and newer ([list of all Intel GPUs ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units)) > - **macOS**: version 10.13 or newer with supported hardware Should you be trying to run Blender in a VM, you will likely need a separate, dedicated GPU for PCI passthrough.

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V2.90 how to move object and not origin ? #82041