Shortcut keys are not right in Move to Collection #84440

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Leroy · 2021-01-06T08:20:41+01:00

Leroy commented

2021-01-06 08:20:41 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19041-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 456.38

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.91.0, branch: master, commit date: 2020-11-25 08:34, hash: 0f45cab862
Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected)

Short description of error

In Move to Collection panel,
{key 1} is New Collection
{key 2} is Scene Collection
{key 3} is Collection 1
{key 4} is New Collection 2
{key 5} is New Collection 3
...

Wrong correspondence makes shortcut keys meaningless，Please move Scene Collection & New Collection to bottom, by the way, I have to say that after 2.8, the UI becomes less and less efficient, Don’t ignore it, this is a serious problem. Very disappointed with old users, sorry for my poor English.

It must be said that it took me a long time to remember {key 1} is Scene Collection, {key 2} is Collection 1, {key 3} is Collection 2.....Now, all changed.(New Collection at bottom in 2.8x)

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
[Please describe the exact steps needed to reproduce the issue]
[Based on the default startup or an attached .blend file (as simple as possible)]

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19041-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 456.38 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.91.0, branch: master, commit date: 2020-11-25 08:34, hash: `0f45cab862` Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected) **Short description of error** In Move to Collection panel, {key 1} is New Collection {key 2} is Scene Collection {key 3} is Collection 1 {key 4} is New Collection 2 {key 5} is New Collection 3 ... Wrong correspondence makes shortcut keys meaningless，Please move Scene Collection & New Collection to bottom, by the way, I have to say that after 2.8, the UI becomes less and less efficient, Don’t ignore it, this is a serious problem. Very disappointed with old users, sorry for my poor English. It must be said that it took me a long time to remember {key 1} is Scene Collection, {key 2} is Collection 1, {key 3} is Collection 2.....Now, all changed.(New Collection at bottom in 2.8x) ![01.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F9552445/01.png) **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** [Please describe the exact steps needed to reproduce the issue] [Based on the default startup or an attached .blend file (as simple as possible)]

Leroy commented

2021-01-06 08:20:41 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Leroy-Xie

Yevgeny Makarov commented

2021-01-06 09:47:23 +01:00

Added subscriber: @jenkm

Yevgeny Makarov commented

2021-01-06 09:47:23 +01:00

This was intentionally changed exactly for the purposes of keyboard shortcut convenience.

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This was intentionally changed exactly for the purposes of keyboard shortcut convenience. 667ef9917f

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-01-06 10:00:23 +01:00

Added subscribers: @HooglyBoogly, @pablovazquez, @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-01-06 10:00:23 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs Developer To Reproduce'

Philipp Oeser commented

2021-01-06 10:00:23 +01:00

Well, this really looks like working as intended, maybe @pablovazquez / @HooglyBoogly can comment, but this does not look like a bug.

Robert Guetzkow commented

2021-01-06 10:02:07 +01:00

Added subscriber: @rjg

Robert Guetzkow commented

2021-01-06 10:02:07 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Developer To Reproduce' to: 'Archived'

Robert Guetzkow closed this issue

2021-01-06 10:02:07 +01:00

Robert Guetzkow commented

2021-01-06 10:02:07 +01:00

I'm closing this ticket as this was an intentional change. For feedback and improvement suggestions please create a post on one of the websites listed on our wiki .

I'm closing this ticket as this was an intentional change. For feedback and improvement suggestions please create a post on one of the websites listed on our [wiki ](https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Communication/Contact#User_Feedback_and_Requests).

Robert Guetzkow commented

2021-01-06 10:03:52 +01:00

Changed status from 'Archived' to: 'Needs Developer To Reproduce'

Robert Guetzkow reopened this issue

2021-01-06 10:03:52 +01:00

Robert Guetzkow commented

2021-01-06 10:03:52 +01:00

Simultaneous writing strikes again. I'll set the ticket status back.

Leroy commented

2021-01-06 12:29:02 +01:00

Trust me, the usage rate of New Collection and Scene Collection is lower. Like many rooms, I want to move an object to a room with a house number.

For users whose primary language is not English, {key 1} {key 2} {key 3} {key 4} {key 5} {key 6} {key 7} ...is more important.

Trust me, the usage rate of New Collection and Scene Collection is lower. Like many rooms, I want to move an object to a room with a house number. For users whose primary language is not English, {key 1} {key 2} {key 3} {key 4} {key 5} {key 6} {key 7} ...is more important.

Hans Goudey commented

2021-01-06 17:02:04 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Developer To Reproduce' to: 'Archived'

Hans Goudey closed this issue

2021-01-06 17:02:04 +01:00

Hans Goudey commented

2021-01-06 17:02:04 +01:00

Yeah, sorry, but this isn't a bug. The shortcuts are ordered by the items in menus not the name of the collection or anything, there was nothing purposeful about the previous correspondence of shortcuts you described.

Anyway, you were already subtracting 1 to go from the shortcut key to the collection number, I don't see how subtracting 2 is any worse other than that it's different.

Yeah, sorry, but this isn't a bug. The shortcuts are ordered by the items in menus not the name of the collection or anything, there was nothing purposeful about the previous correspondence of shortcuts you described. Anyway, you were already subtracting 1 to go from the shortcut key to the collection number, I don't see how subtracting 2 is any worse other than that it's different.

Leroy commented

2021-01-07 04:04:42 +01:00

On the main keyboard,
{key 1} is switch view to collection 1
{key 2} is switch view to collection 2
{key 3} is switch view to collection 3
{key 4} is switch view to collection 4
....

But in Move to Collection Menu,

{key 1} is New Collection
{key 2} is Scene Collection
{key 3} is Collection 1
{key 4} is New Collection 2
...

Can not correspond, 2.7x will not have this problem

On the main keyboard, {key 1} is switch view to collection 1 {key 2} is switch view to collection 2 {key 3} is switch view to collection 3 {key 4} is switch view to collection 4 .... But in Move to Collection Menu, {key 1} is New Collection {key 2} is Scene Collection {key 3} is Collection 1 {key 4} is New Collection 2 ... Can not correspond, 2.7x will not have this problem

Pablo Vazquez commented

2021-01-07 19:31:46 +01:00

Moving New Collection and Scene Collection was a design decision.

The shortcuts for switching collections with 1, 2, 3... will likely change (on the default keymap) in the near future anyway, there are many arguments against:

Loses meaning as soon as you have nested collections in the Outliner.
Often pressed by mistake causing confusion and slowdown in large files.
Collections are usually renamed so after 5 or 6 items it's hard to see in the Outliner what number a collection would correspond to.
When the collections list is longer than 10 items, you have to use Alt+number which is slow and inconvenient, rather search for it.

Eventually the Collections list should become a search operator, it's unusable after a certain number of items. Besides, such prominent keys could be used for operations performed more often such as mode switching.

Moving `New Collection` and `Scene Collection` was a design decision. The shortcuts for switching collections with `1`, `2`, `3`... will likely change (on the default keymap) in the near future anyway, there are many arguments against: * Loses meaning as soon as you have nested collections in the Outliner. * Often pressed by mistake causing confusion and slowdown in large files. * Collections are usually renamed so after 5 or 6 items it's hard to see in the Outliner what number a collection would correspond to. * When the collections list is longer than 10 items, you have to use `Alt+number` which is slow and inconvenient, rather search for it. Eventually the Collections list should become a search operator, it's unusable after a certain number of items. Besides, such prominent keys could be used for operations performed more often such as mode switching.

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Shortcut keys are not right in Move to Collection #84440