Circle Select tool: status bar info doesn't match with the actual operations #89909

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Narayan Aras · 2021-07-17T05:08:19+02:00

Narayan Aras commented

2021-07-17 05:08:19 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19041-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: Intel(R) UHD Graphics 620 Intel 4.5.0 - Build 25.20.100.6444

Blender Version
Broken: version: 3.0.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2021-06-23 22:10, hash: f7fbb518c8
Worked: NA

Short description of error

The "Select circle" command is riddled with problems:

Issue 1

When we choose the "Circle Select" tool, the status line does not provide the relevant information at all.

There is no information about how to change the diameter of the circle
The status line shows that "LMB+drag" moves the item, which is completely erroneous.

Once we press the LMB down, the status line changes to-

Issue 2
Even this is totally faulty:

There is no difference between ESC (Cancel) and ENTER (confirm). The selection remains in both cases.
The WhUp increases the diameter of the circle. It does NOT "add" anything to the selection.
The WhDown decreases the diameter of the circle. It does NOT "Subtract" anything from the selection.
The meaning of "MSPan" is not clear at all. I could not find its meaning on the whole Internet!
The SHIFT+LMB does NOT deselect an object (or toggle its selection). In fact, there is no way to deselect any object at all!
The role of RMB (to cancel) is not listed at all.

I found experimentally that when we roll the mouse wheel while the LMB is pressed down, the diameter changes.

Issue 3
At this time, the mouse shows two different circles simultaneously: The new circle is in dotted line. The default circle is in solid line. Showing two circles at a time is totally unnecessary, and does not serve any purpose.

Even in the light of this decoded behavior, I cannot guess what "MsPan" means!

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
See above

Suggested solutions:

Correct the status line to show the correct hints
In the sculpting brushes, the diameter can be adjusted by pressing F and then dragging the mouse. Use the same method here too, and have consistency!
Please provide a way to deselect items.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19041-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: Intel(R) UHD Graphics 620 Intel 4.5.0 - Build 25.20.100.6444 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.0.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2021-06-23 22:10, hash: `f7fbb518c8` Worked: NA **Short description of error** The "Select circle" command is riddled with problems: **Issue 1** When we choose the "Circle Select" tool, the status line does not provide the relevant information at all. ![image.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F10226293/image.png) - There is no information about how to change the diameter of the circle - The status line shows that "LMB+drag" moves the item, which is completely erroneous. Once we press the LMB down, the status line changes to- ![image.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F10226295/image.png) **Issue 2** Even this is totally faulty: - There is no difference between ESC (Cancel) and ENTER (confirm). The selection remains in both cases. - The WhUp increases the diameter of the circle. It does NOT "add" anything to the selection. - The WhDown decreases the diameter of the circle. It does NOT "Subtract" anything from the selection. - The meaning of "MSPan" is not clear at all. I could not find its meaning on the whole Internet! - The SHIFT+LMB does NOT deselect an object (or toggle its selection). In fact, there is no way to deselect any object at all! - The role of RMB (to cancel) is not listed at all. I found experimentally that when we roll the mouse wheel while the LMB is pressed down, the diameter changes. **Issue 3** At this time, the mouse shows two different circles simultaneously: The new circle is in dotted line. The default circle is in solid line. Showing two circles at a time is totally unnecessary, and does not serve any purpose. Even in the light of this decoded behavior, I cannot guess what "MsPan" means! **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** See above **Suggested solutions:** - Correct the status line to show the correct hints - In the sculpting brushes, the diameter can be adjusted by pressing F and then dragging the mouse. Use the same method here too, and have consistency! - Please provide a way to deselect items.

Narayan Aras commented

2021-07-17 05:08:19 +02:00

Added subscriber: @raindrops

blender-admin commented

2021-07-17 05:08:19 +02:00

#98084 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Pratik Borhade commented

2021-07-17 12:00:31 +02:00

Added subscriber: @PratikPB2123

Pratik Borhade commented

2021-07-17 12:00:31 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs Developer To Reproduce'

Pratik Borhade commented

2021-07-17 12:00:32 +02:00

Bug 3,4: At this time, the mouse shows two different circles simultaneously...As soon as the LMB is released, the diameter reverts to the default value.

Similar report is present on tracker: #83394 (Tool shelf circle select. Changing the brush radius by hotkey does not update the radius)
(I will remove it from description)

The SHIFT+LMB does NOT deselect an object (or toggle its selection). In fact, there is no way to deselect any object at all!

Please check again with factory settings (File -> defaults -> Load Factory settings). Can deselect here in both ways (MMB Shift + LMB).

Choosing select circle option from toolbar and pressing the LMB shows the different info. This looks inconsistent.
Agree with some changes mentioned in the report. #user_interface developers will take the final decision.

Adding multiple issues in single report is not really good but all the changes looks useful and almost same so it's better to keep them together.

>Bug 3,4: At this time, the mouse shows two different circles simultaneously...As soon as the LMB is released, the diameter reverts to the default value. Similar report is present on tracker: #83394 (Tool shelf circle select. Changing the brush radius by hotkey does not update the radius) (I will remove it from description) --- >The SHIFT+LMB does NOT deselect an object (or toggle its selection). In fact, there is no way to deselect any object at all! Please check again with factory settings (`File -> defaults -> Load Factory settings`). Can deselect here in both ways (`MMB` `Shift + LMB`). --- Choosing `select circle` option from toolbar and pressing the LMB shows the different info. This looks inconsistent. Agree with some changes mentioned in the report. #user_interface developers will take the final decision. Adding multiple issues in single report is not really good but all the changes looks useful and almost same so it's better to keep them together.

Pratik Borhade changed title from ~~The Circle Select tool is not intuitive; and the status line hints do not match its behavior~~ to Circle Select tool: insufficient information on status bar.

2021-07-17 12:11:31 +02:00

Narayan Aras commented

2021-07-17 14:04:53 +02:00

I reverted to factory settings. I can deselect objects with CTRL+LMB, but not with SHFT+LMB or SHFT+MMB or MMB.

Another problem is that usually such hotkeys toggle the selection status of an individual object.
(This is a convenient way to add/remove an objection to the selection.)
But CTRL+LMB only deselects: It cannot select the object! This also can be considered a bug.

I confirmed this by repeating the entire cycle twice.

I reverted to factory settings. I can deselect objects with CTRL+LMB, but not with SHFT+LMB or SHFT+MMB or MMB. Another problem is that usually such hotkeys toggle the selection status of an individual object. (This is a convenient way to add/remove an objection to the selection.) But CTRL+LMB only deselects: It cannot select the object! This also can be considered a bug. I confirmed this by repeating the entire cycle twice.

Narayan Aras commented

2021-07-17 14:09:36 +02:00

BTW the problem is not only about wrong information in the status line: It is also about multiple affordances that are wrong.

It is also about not using a well-set convention that exists in Blender itself.
For example, why don't we press the F key and then drag the mouse to set the size of the circle (as in sculpt brush)?

BTW the problem is not only about wrong information in the status line: It is also about multiple affordances that are wrong. It is also about not using a well-set convention that exists in Blender itself. For example, why don't we press the F key and then drag the mouse to set the size of the circle (as in sculpt brush)?

Pratik Borhade commented

2022-05-13 06:53:08 +02:00

Added subscriber: @blendask

Pratik Borhade changed title from ~~Circle Select tool: insufficient information on status bar.~~ to Circle Select tool: status bas info doesn't match with the actual operations

2022-05-13 06:54:11 +02:00

Pratik Borhade changed title from ~~Circle Select tool: status bas info doesn't match with the actual operations~~ to Circle Select tool: status bar info doesn't match with the actual operations

2022-05-13 06:54:19 +02:00

blender-admin commented

2022-05-13 08:09:04 +02:00

This issue was referenced by 113b8030ce

This issue was referenced by 113b8030ced92c23e33717dac97287f8792fd1cb

Campbell Barton commented

2022-05-13 08:13:50 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Developer To Reproduce' to: 'Resolved'

Campbell Barton closed this issue

2022-05-13 08:13:50 +02:00

Campbell Barton self-assigned this 2022-05-13 08:13:50 +02:00

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Circle Select tool: status bar info doesn't match with the actual operations #89909