Blender 3.0 - The Rain demo scene breaks (Proxy to Override auto conversion) #91711

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Raimund Klink · 2021-09-25T22:45:40+02:00

Raimund Klink commented

2021-09-25 22:45:40 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19041-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 472.12

Blender Version
Broken: version: 3.0.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2021-09-24 19:18, hash: a3027fb094
Worked: Blender 2.93.4

Short description of error
The nameplate on the Rain model is clipping and on the wrong side.

The nametag is broken due to the new Proxy to Override Auto Conversion setting. Disabling that setting allows things to load correctly.

Blender 2.93.4:

Blender 3.0:

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Open the Rain demo and hit F12
https://cloud.blender.org/p/characters/5f1ede754347a0fc05ba21a0

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.19041-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 472.12 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.0.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2021-09-24 19:18, hash: `a3027fb094` Worked: Blender 2.93.4 **Short description of error** The nameplate on the Rain model is clipping and on the wrong side. The nametag is broken due to the new `Proxy to Override Auto Conversion` setting. Disabling that setting allows things to load correctly. Blender 2.93.4: ![2.93.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F10593537/2.93.png) Blender 3.0: ![3.0.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F10593538/3.0.png) **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Open the Rain demo and hit F12 https://cloud.blender.org/p/characters/5f1ede754347a0fc05ba21a0

Raimund Klink commented

2021-09-25 22:45:40 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Raimund58

Lloyd commented

2021-09-25 23:37:03 +02:00

Added subscriber: @LloydAlmeida

Lloyd commented

2021-09-25 23:37:03 +02:00

Check the Info Editor

Proxies are deprecated (3 proxies were automatically converted to library overrides, 0 proxies could not be converted and 0 linked proxies were kept untouched). If you need to keep proxies for the time being, please disable the Proxy to Override Auto Conversion in Experimental user preferences

Fixes the Object issue.

Check the Info Editor Proxies are deprecated (3 proxies were automatically converted to library overrides, 0 proxies could not be converted and 0 linked proxies were kept untouched). If you need to keep proxies for the time being, please disable the `Proxy to Override Auto Conversion` in Experimental user preferences Fixes the Object issue.

Evan Wilson commented

2021-09-26 02:32:33 +02:00

Added subscriber: @EAW

Evan Wilson commented

2021-09-26 02:32:33 +02:00

The missing textures might be a duplicate of #91697 (EEVEE regression: Generated texture coordinates completly missing)

Raimund Klink commented

2021-09-26 10:00:39 +02:00

In #91711#1225908, @EAW wrote:
The missing textures might be a duplicate of #91697 (EEVEE regression: Generated texture coordinates completly missing)

That seems to be the issue for the pink textures.
EDIT: In the scene the tiles are a "Checker Texture" Node.
Same for the tongue. It is a "Noise Texture" Node

In #91711#1225881, @LloydAlmeida wrote:
Check the Info Editor

Proxies are deprecated (3 proxies were automatically converted to library overrides, 0 proxies could not be converted and 0 linked proxies were kept untouched). If you need to keep proxies for the time being, please disable the Proxy to Override Auto Conversion in Experimental user preferences

Fixes the Object issue.

But the issue is that it was not correctly converted. The position and rotation is wrong. I would have expected that it gets automagically and correctly converted.

> In #91711#1225908, @EAW wrote: > The missing textures might be a duplicate of #91697 (EEVEE regression: Generated texture coordinates completly missing) That seems to be the issue for the pink textures. EDIT: In the scene the tiles are a "Checker Texture" Node. Same for the tongue. It is a "Noise Texture" Node > In #91711#1225881, @LloydAlmeida wrote: > Check the Info Editor > > Proxies are deprecated (3 proxies were automatically converted to library overrides, 0 proxies could not be converted and 0 linked proxies were kept untouched). If you need to keep proxies for the time being, please disable the `Proxy to Override Auto Conversion` in Experimental user preferences > > Fixes the Object issue. But the issue is that it was not correctly converted. The position and rotation is wrong. I would have expected that it gets automagically and correctly converted.

Lloyd commented

2021-09-26 10:26:02 +02:00

If you mean Amy's nameplate, it loads correctly after disabling the Proxy settings in the Experimental section.

Raimund Klink commented

2021-09-26 10:32:38 +02:00

3 proxies were automatically converted to library overrides

But it did that not right.

> 3 proxies were automatically converted to library overrides But it did that not right.

Jesse Yurkovich commented

2021-09-27 08:58:32 +02:00

Added subscriber: @deadpin

Jesse Yurkovich commented

2021-09-27 08:58:32 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Confirmed'

Jesse Yurkovich commented

2021-09-27 08:58:32 +02:00

With #91697 fixed, the pink is gone. However, the incorrect proxy <-> override behavior is still present.

Confirming and will make clear what this bug is for in my next edit.

With #91697 fixed, the pink is gone. However, the incorrect proxy <-> override behavior is still present. Confirming and will make clear what this bug is for in my next edit.

Jesse Yurkovich changed title from ~~Blender 3.0 - The Rain demo scene breaks~~ to Blender 3.0 - The Rain demo scene breaks (Proxy to Override auto conversion)

2021-09-27 08:59:15 +02:00

Bastien Montagne commented

2021-09-27 10:17:58 +02:00

Added subscriber: @mont29

Bastien Montagne commented

2021-09-27 10:17:58 +02:00

OK, so issue here is that the name tag (GEO-nametag) and its helper parent (HLP-nametag_parent) are two local objects, and the later is parented to a linked object (GEO-rain_top) which is part of the linked/proxified character.

Normally when making an override, we do not want to remap other local IDs's usages of linked ones that become overridden (this would break the 'boundaries', and can just as well create unwanted relationships).

Will make an exception for proxy conversion case though, I think in that specific case we do want to forcefully remap any dependency from the linked data to the newly created override one... But this might also be the wrong behavior in some cases. There is no real way to ensure a 100% correct behavior in such convoluted relationships, there will always be some cases requiring manual fixes (here it's rather trivial, just make HLP-nametag_parent child of the new override of GEO-rain_top).

OK, so issue here is that the name tag (`GEO-nametag`) and its helper parent (`HLP-nametag_parent`) are two local objects, and the later is parented to a linked object (`GEO-rain_top`) which is part of the linked/proxified character. Normally when making an override, we do not want to remap other local IDs's usages of linked ones that become overridden (this would break the 'boundaries', and can just as well create unwanted relationships). Will make an exception for proxy conversion case though, I *think* in that specific case we do want to forcefully remap any dependency from the linked data to the newly created override one... But this might also be the wrong behavior in some cases. There is no real way to ensure a 100% correct behavior in such convoluted relationships, there will always be some cases requiring manual fixes (here it's rather trivial, just make `HLP-nametag_parent` child of the new override of `GEO-rain_top`).

blender-admin commented

2021-09-27 11:09:48 +02:00

This issue was referenced by 8dcddbcc07

This issue was referenced by 8dcddbcc0778b6ac737e63ba7751a4441876e03c

Bastien Montagne commented

2021-09-27 11:12:01 +02:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

Bastien Montagne closed this issue

2021-09-27 11:12:01 +02:00

Bastien Montagne self-assigned this 2021-09-27 11:12:01 +02:00

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Blender 3.0 - The Rain demo scene breaks (Proxy to Override auto conversion) #91711