Duplicated objects with children don't have visibility options in outliner just only object #95056

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ManBlender · 2022-01-19T16:55:53+01:00

ManBlender commented

2022-01-19 16:55:53 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18363-SP0 64 Bits
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 466.77

Blender Version
Broken: version: 3.1.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2022-01-16 23:26, hash: 34d424fd64
Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected)

Short description of error
As on image, there are sometimes cases where Duplicated objects with children don't have visibility options in outliner.
This situation doing case when must select object in outliner, but to manage visibility must go to object visibility and operate around checkboxes not in outliner.
The case is problem when we doing some masks for boolean modificators, where some objects are children for main parent object and must be hidden as cloned.
In the oldest blender I meet this same problem time ago. Not sure it's bug or I'm doing something wrong in this type process.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
I'm not sure how the issue is produced. In simple example like in attachment no problem.
I don't know it's related with modification like bevel or boolean, but I used this and meet this problem.
I often doing shift+g to select all children then again shift+parent object, and alt+d or shift+d.
visibility_problem.blend

Edit:
Ok, I replicated the problem.
visibility_problem_replicated.blend
The issue is related with movements around collections and tree.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.18363-SP0 64 Bits Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 466.77 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.1.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2022-01-16 23:26, hash: `34d424fd64` Worked: (newest version of Blender that worked as expected) **Short description of error** As on image, there are sometimes cases where Duplicated objects with children don't have visibility options in outliner. This situation doing case when must select object in outliner, but to manage visibility must go to object visibility and operate around checkboxes not in outliner. The case is problem when we doing some masks for boolean modificators, where some objects are children for main parent object and must be hidden as cloned. In the oldest blender I meet this same problem time ago. Not sure it's bug or I'm doing something wrong in this type process. ![obj_visibility.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12811625/obj_visibility.png) **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** I'm not sure how the issue is produced. In simple example like in attachment no problem. I don't know it's related with modification like bevel or boolean, but I used this and meet this problem. I often doing shift+g to select all children then again shift+parent object, and alt+d or shift+d. [visibility_problem.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12811640/visibility_problem.blend) Edit: Ok, I replicated the problem. [visibility_problem_replicated.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12811648/visibility_problem_replicated.blend) The issue is related with movements around collections and tree.

ManBlender commented

2022-01-19 16:55:53 +01:00

Added subscriber: @ManBlender

Richard Antalik commented

2022-01-19 19:18:45 +01:00

Added subscriber: @iss

Richard Antalik commented

2022-01-19 19:18:45 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs User Info'

Richard Antalik commented

2022-01-19 19:18:45 +01:00

This is because these objects are children of another object, but at the same time they are not in 1 collection. As far as I can see this is correct behavior. Or do you want to report, that these objects should all end up in same collection but they don't? in such case please add steps to reproduce such behavior.

ManBlender commented

2022-01-20 11:27:57 +01:00

This is because these objects are children of another object, but at the same time they are not in 1 collection.

I understood this case, but in fact this made dissonance, coz user can easy move children to another collection, and due that have many parents the options about visibility are not available in many place in outliner,buy this user must operate in properties. Now we can have case, when in some instance this children should be not visible but in other visible and this not working correctly then and not comfy to manage this.

Or do you want to report, that these objects should all end up in same collection but they don't? in such case please add steps to reproduce such behavior.

In my opinion to resolve dissonance this visibility options should be available in whole outliner as in object properties.
The feature that children are not main object as gray/transparent or alpha (not sure how to describe the object name in shadow) is enough to understand that is duplicated object.
If user prepared workspace that properties is hidden coz need long outliner then is this type problem that must open properties coz hard to find in outliner main source of objects.
In fact of usage in this type interface before illumination here that object properties can help me I spent some time to find source objects of copy. In case was many copies, then problem was more pungent.

The main question is, what is reason to turn of in outliner the visibility options? Regarding this case.

> This is because these objects are children of another object, but at the same time they are not in 1 collection. I understood this case, but in fact this made dissonance, coz user can easy move children to another collection, and due that have many parents the options about visibility are not available in many place in outliner,buy this user must operate in properties. Now we can have case, when in some instance this children should be not visible but in other visible and this not working correctly then and not comfy to manage this. > Or do you want to report, that these objects should all end up in same collection but they don't? in such case please add steps to reproduce such behavior. In my opinion to resolve dissonance this visibility options should be available in whole outliner as in object properties. The feature that children are not main object as gray/transparent or alpha (not sure how to describe the object name in shadow) is enough to understand that is duplicated object. If user prepared workspace that properties is hidden coz need long outliner then is this type problem that must open properties coz hard to find in outliner main source of objects. In fact of usage in this type interface before illumination here that `object properties` can help me I spent some time to find source objects of copy. In case was many copies, then problem was more pungent. **The main question is, what is reason to turn of in outliner the visibility options?** Regarding this case.

Richard Antalik commented

2022-01-20 15:36:33 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs User Info' to: 'Archived'

Richard Antalik closed this issue

2022-01-20 15:36:33 +01:00

Richard Antalik commented

2022-01-20 15:36:33 +01:00

I can't give you exact link to any document describing why, there may be more than 1 reason. For example as you pointed out if you turn of visibility of collection with parent, but children are in different collection, the parent/child relationship does not override collection visibility.

In any case, UI developer confirmed, that this is expected behavior.

Closing as this bug tracker is only for bugs and errors.
For user requests and feedback, please use other channels: https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Communication/Contact#User_Feedback_and_Requests
For more information on why this isn't considered a bug, visit: https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Reference/Not_a_bug

I can't give you exact link to any document describing why, there may be more than 1 reason. For example as you pointed out if you turn of visibility of collection with parent, but children are in different collection, the parent/child relationship does not override collection visibility. In any case, UI developer confirmed, that this is expected behavior. Closing as this bug tracker is only for bugs and errors. For user requests and feedback, please use other channels: https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Communication/Contact#User_Feedback_and_Requests For more information on why this isn't considered a bug, visit: https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Reference/Not_a_bug

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Duplicated objects with children don't have visibility options in outliner just only object #95056