In T69577#776654, @Ryan Inch (Imaginer) wrote:

Well, a character modeling is really not the case.
The reason is it turns less fluent for character modeling, it turns deadly hard for a wide range of concave/constructive workflows.

Hi! Nice to meet you)

Finished editing post. Sorry about my english, it is foreign for me)

Speaking of viewport navigation, we have RMB for pan from prpfessional modeling layout.
This brings one of the most used function ever to one button, and also brings entire viewport navigation to one hand with mouse.
Hopes that will also taken into account.

Well, Brendon, nice to see you are interested in solving an issue, thank you for invitation.
We are really appreciate that!

this button is to turn off everything that is inside the popover.

Global "Show overlays" hides everything but faces. Point empty object and this designation have no faces so they are hidden.
Internal "Show overlays" checkboxes also don't hide mesh overlays entirely.
This designation is missing for internal checkboxes as its availability defines current mode - object editing or origin editing.
So, there is no way to messup while opening someone's scene - you will see, if it will be turned off globally, or you will see if scene is in origin editing mode.

In T69132#770248, @TheRedWaxPolice (TheRedWaxPolice) wrote:

by clicking in the "show overlays" button

An interesting question - what if only visible background images with manually turned off selectability will go isolation mode automatically?

In T52668#769527, @Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) wrote:

In T52668#768220, @Duarte Farrajota Ramos (duarteframos) wrote:

Though I can't really envision how this could be managed. At most basic level having a checkbox for each image would suffice, but you wouldn't get granular enough control.
Not sure we want/need more control over which individual images get included on each local view.

Tried new axis restriction. A very nice)
Also loves, that ortho + axis checkbox shows images as wireframe in user ortho - a wise solution!

A gorgeous news! Nice to know!
We are step closer to being alive)

We understand power and flexibility of unlimited Collection's system.
We DON'T request go back to limited 2.7 layers!

You're welcome)

Also, a very HUGE UMC, slots management and workflow compatibility[[ https://developer.blender.org/T61492#766205 | issue ]].

In T31392#766087, @Ken Kosmenko (zoomzoooie) wrote:

So...several years ago I asked the developers if they could build it into Blender. They said no, it was not useful...

Well, it seems, it is hard to explain the real need of QCD system without proper workflow example,
because it’s reason is related to UMC (User’s Memory Consumption) reducing, and does not exist out of context.

I think, that current realization can be also useful, (for example, for viewing whole amount of refrences that model have) so this view-axis ability can be a global display mode, that infuences all images.

// Meanwhile, good news for automerge users.
Blender development still tries to clone F2 from 2014 in Poly Biuld tool, so they recently has come to idea to build quad from vertex, and already made an automerge)

It will be nice if default roll will behave smooth like addon.
I think that addon's paradigm is useful both as smoother roll, and as ability to set preferable keymap.
Addons have higher degree of freedom this way.

In T31392#765536, @Martin Capitanio (capnm) wrote:

Oh, I see. If you haven't tried the add-on, you probably will not understand

In T31392#764871, @Jose D. Moreno (josemoreno) wrote:

view roll with the core method using Roll Angle Source: Roll.Angle using even the same shortcut as the add-on,

In T31392#764806, @Brendon Murphy (meta-androcto) wrote:

hi @Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc) I take it this function is still not in Blender? Is it something used frequently? I could add it to the 3dview Navigation addon as it relates to this script well. hot Key pref?
@Martin Capitanio (capnm) hi, are you ok if we do this?

In T31392#764139, @Martin Capitanio (capnm) wrote:

I've created a github repo for anyone who wants to roll ;-)

In T69132#764012, @Zino Guerr (Zino) wrote:

i don't think you guys have Arch-viz or Hard-Surface Artists in the studio?

This will allow to retrieve such behaviour.
In view axis image provides refrence, in user ortho and perspective view it does not affect visual appearance.

I have no complaints about origin transforms as long as it is still the Blender's origin system, not the pivot system from Maya
(except some issues with instances behaviour).

In T52668#763362, @Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) wrote:

@Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc) you're asking for the option only to show the image when it's aligned to the view axis?

Anybody?

In T69132#762919, @TheRedWaxPolice (TheRedWaxPolice) wrote:

/For example in c4d it's the letter L. //

In T69132#763179, @Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) wrote:

This is similar to pressing Ctrl-P to parent, from talking to artists in the studio

In T69132#762353, @Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) wrote:

In T69132#762259, @noki paike (amonpaike) wrote:

In T69132#762251, @Benjamin Sauder (kioku) wrote:

well then, one should add a todo to add the option of keeping instances in place if the origin is moved.

Anyway, most of people need that just to finally get proper CAD snapping, which have been in every other software for decades.
That's how it is supposed to be used.

In T69132#762236, @William Reynish (billreynish) wrote:

@Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc): what is showed in that gif is not a 'messup' and is nothing new. The same happens when you use origin snapping in 2.79 and earlier, or in 2.80.

In T69132#762084, @noki paike (amonpaike) wrote:

@Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) actually with the objects in instance this function has a strange behavior ... take a look at the gif ...

In T69132#762071, @William Reynish (billreynish) wrote:

@Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc) This is one of the most oft-requested features in Blender.

Of course, it's not, snaps are, everybody knows that.

That's why I called that example simple, but even it don't allow same origin location.
By the way, what we are fighting for?

Here is a bank cell representation for all 3 types.

In T69132#762017, @noki paike (amonpaike) wrote:

In T69132#762009, @Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc) wrote:

What is the point of that?
What will happen if object have instance?

simply the instances behave like the parent object .... if you move the pivot in the parent object it also moves in the instances, nothing changes from what it already happens, it's just a convenience at the user experience level.

Are you trying to recreate the Maya Pivot behavior that makes it impossible to tell where the real location of the object in maya is?))
Well, it is interesting, but it's don't even needed :D

What is the point of that?
What will happen if object have instance?

Here is the result of comparison of B systems:

Also, the difference between B1 and any other is indeed the same, as between bookmark and a bank cell.

In D5118#127313, @Dalai Felinto (dfelinto) wrote:

Those infographs are really clear and well done, thank you. I plan on abandoning this patch anyways since it seems I'm the only pushing for B1.
We still need a way to handle the UI though. Even if we stick to B2 as we currently have.

In D5118#127314, @Dalai Felinto (dfelinto) wrote:

(out of curiosity, did you make these infographs for this task? or had you them around already?)

Described overall problems of current realization and latest development there: https://developer.blender.org/D5118#127263

We observed such issues, like:

• QCD itself
• Manual assigning in B1 way (QCD as bookmark system)
• Hierarchy depth changing behaviour (current topic)
• Shorcut inconsistency (https://developer.blender.org/T61492#755751)

Found a solution, setting Z key action type from Click to Release seems fix problem.

In D5497#126331, @William Reynish (billreynish) wrote:

Single click doesn't work, we cannot use it. It means that if you try and select obData or Scene data, you will also switch mode or scene. This is unacceptable, and in my opinion a high priority item to address.

Here are proposals about global functions in outliner for heavyweight (~1000 collections) setups.

A very nice picture, that clarifies quick access slot concept.
It also depicts that QCD system can be built on top of collections system, bringing QCD's RAM speed access to Collection's HDD storage.
It also need wildcard match "Quick search" dialog to provide access to deeply located collections by their name.

Also, is seems, some steps have been taken in direction of M5 issue.
Now M5 shortcut can send object to somewhere (5th string in a menu), but pressing 5 will not show collection with that object, and you have to find it manually)

In T61492#755483, @Asher (ThatAsherGuy) wrote:

Add in a "Send To..." dialog

That will be nice to fix that, because it is hard to keep concentration during modeling process, and shortcut rejection brings frustration.

A nice expression)

In T55194#626933, @Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) wrote:

It's not planned to add keys from 2.7x map back.

• Apply modifiers can be done w/: Ctrl-A, G.
• Set origin is in the context menu. W, O or RMB, O

As a technical director, my job is to deal with mess that users brings to files just daily.
It is ok for me to work with 6000-8000 layers in autocad, including block refrences, that can contain multiple, because I wrote special toolset to handle that much layers, so I know how it feels.

Thanks!

At scale of massive production we cannot afford strategy like "be more accurate and doublecheck what options are enabled".
It is also hard to check if model has accidentally got wrong automerging issue at that scale, as they are made by different people.

A better example - combining regular mesh with complex

In T68572#754028, @Brendon Murphy (meta-androcto) wrote:

So now what will happen:

In D5118#125392, @Dalai Felinto (dfelinto) wrote:

Not ignored, it seems to have been discussed at length on T61492. But I would rather leave the discussion on alternatives elsewhere not to detract from the main functionality presented in the patch.

Thank you.

Can I guess that all arguments considering dynamic auto numeration and direct adress access was ignored?

Well, the problem that there is no inconsistent behaviour, and no bug.

It doesnot speed up much, it doesnot slowdown much, it, basically, allows to use one point selection instead of two on simple grids, and bring ability to mess on complex grids.
Well, that's just doesnot worth to obtain such an ability)
F2 already provides everything for such tasks to be completed.

F2 was tested for a very large base of models on all possible occasions.
It's workflow methods allows to solve such situations in almost the same time.

We need a screenshot with such case.
Here is a simple example of annoying mess that automerge brings to mesh with F2.

Well, if F2 with no autograb creates matching vertices, that means, it is filling regular quad mesh grid.
For that purposes is used F2 from edge, not from vertex.
This is the way F2 solves grids by design.

It seems, the only manageable system, based on bookmarking, is a single bookmark.
Easy to set, easy to find, easy to locate in hierarchy, easy to send objects to it.
That can work like a portal.
More bookmarks will inevitably mean the need for a system to organize such a system.

A video about B.A.S.E. snap enhancement proposal.
It's main goal is to unify all those tools from first part.
Also different CAD precision Bonus tools were shown for forum discussions.

Roll ability is also useful for CAD/Architectural workflow

As you already may know, such modeling is used for supporting Blender development at diamond donation state for a long time.
So, problem basically is a bit deeper - how can it be possible, that Blender's development cancelled a tool that is used daily for supporting Blender's development, and even lower the quality of models that can be performed in it?
Seems definitely like a lupus)

In T52668#748742, @Erick Tukuniata (erickblender) wrote:

Automate it like it used to be would be good as well.

You've missed some basic functionality to provide.

A very nice example - photo dump sort and cleanup. A pretty much similar task.

Currently Blender provides [B2] autonumeration. It is that is working now.
My proposal is [B3], that allows to view all slots at once in outliner in a plain way, also no outliner changes reqiured, so it can be build on it's current realization.
You prefer [A], that can reqiure massive outliner changes in order to make system clean enough. There will be a lot of things to do to ensure sufficient control, including additional modes, highlights, and filtering options.

In T61492#745989, @Harley Acheson (harley) wrote:

Thanks @Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc),

In T61492#745904, @Harley Acheson (harley) wrote:

I can't imagine manually assigned 20 slots, that will not be immediately dissolved in 1000 collections file.
Then we will have 30 such files with random slots assignation, and that's it... a mess we were just starting from.

If we need some specific collection, that is important - we will definitely knows it's name to have access.
Slots are aninymous structures, so it is more important where they are, than what they contain.

That's the problem - there are no more or less important collections.
Auto assignment also can't "get bad", it exist or not, as a rule. Rule is bad by default or good by defailt.

Also, if we are positioning QCD as collection's mess debugging tool, it may have a sense to make autonumbering for just first 20 core collections of first level, including scene collection as first, independently how deep collections will be inside of them.
It will be easy to hanlde them both in gui and outliner, and control them via dragging. This solution also helps to M5 problem.

(Wrote comment in devtalk)