In D4529#103522, @ronan ducluzeau (zeauro) wrote:

Seriously, that are awful changes.

@Clément Foucault (fclem) @William Reynish (billreynish) Just a quick question.
Why can't blender really highlight only the components (vertex/edges/faces) of the mode selected, without mixing it, like the majority of the 3D apps out there?
Quick example:

Disable "Outline" and this will go away.

Please don't.
Maybe as an option in the preferences to satisfy the Mac users.

In D3594#101059, @Erick Tukuniata (erickblender) wrote: Please provide a build so people can test and give feedback.

In D3594#101016, @Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) wrote:

hold off on this feature until after 2.80 initial release.

Exactly.

Yeah, that can be annoying.

I prefer the current behavior.
Blender preferences is very complex, it makes sense to have a "Save Preferences" button imo.

Turning off region overlap fixes it, yeah.
I think region overlap should be off by default. It's just causing too many problems at this point for no reason.

In T57918#611187, @William Reynish (billreynish) wrote:

Another thing to discuss related to the keymap, is that some users would like to be able to do box select while the transform gizmos are visible. I see two ways to do this:

1. Add Box Select to the Drag Action dropdown inside the transform tools
2. Add some new way to make transform gizmos visible while other tools are active
   
   I strongly prefer solution #1. It fits neatly within the current paradigm and causes no conflicts. Solution #2 can potentially cause lots of confusion and conflicts, because what if you then have the transform gizmos enabled while enabling the Shear tool, for example. You get two gizmos on top of each other.
   
   Also, from a user POV, the mental model is that the gizmo is part of the tool. Seeing the Move tool gizmo when the Move tool is not active will just create all sorts of confusion.
   
   We already have the concept of Drag Action (some apps call this setting 'Haul') so all that is needed is to add selection there.
   
   This is much more like what other DCC apps do. In short, if we are going to add this capability, #1 is how I think we should do it.

I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is not an issue.
A tooltip would be more than enough. I mean, there are plenty of apps with similar feature and yet there's nothing fancy happening with their buttons.

In T61480#619361, @Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) wrote:

How would the popup be activated? (what key, which menu)

@Dalai Felinto (dfelinto) Yeah, I know about the alt + h, that's why I said "for the sake of completeness", because if we can ctrl + click to isolate, naturally and intuitively people would expect a similar way of undoing the isolate (ctrl + shift + click).
Anyway, thanks for the quick fix and all the hard work on this.

@Dalai Felinto (dfelinto) This is nice, but for the sake of completeness I guess we would also need something like "ctrl + shift" to go to the previous state, or at least to unhide everything?
And btw, when I alt click, there's no way to go back, clicking/alt clicking again does nothing.

Blender is literally the only 3D/DCC app that starts in windowed mode, and it's truly annoying. So yes, maximized by default please.

Exactly.
If a matcap is looking overexposed or something, it's because it was made to look that way or was just poorly made.
Matcaps are displaying more accurately now, which is great.

Why not display a crosshair cursor like in most sculpting apps (zbrush etc...)?

Great. 👍

In T57918#611187, @William Reynish (billreynish) wrote:

some users would like to be able to do box select while the transform gizmos are visible.

There's this open source online sculpting app https://stephaneginier.com/sculptgl/ which also has this brush cursor feature. Not sure which method it uses but it feels quite nice. Maybe worth take a look?

In D3594#96644, @Julien Kaspar (JulienKaspar) wrote:

@ThinkingPolygons (ThinkingPolygons)

Actually this is nothing, really. Zbrush works pretty much like that, it never was an issue.

I just checked the difference. While the single face normal Blender cursor goes completely crazy on high frequency detail, Zbrush seems to have some sort of averaging on a small scale to prevent that. The cursor rotates only slightly there.

This sort of thing would be pretty distracting while sculpting:

In D3594#96606, @Pablo Dobarro (pablodp606) wrote:

From my experience, I strongly prefer the face normal version.

I tried this feature in the build Pablo Dobarro shared on his twitter page, and I can say that this is already a hundred times better than the current brush cursor, even if it's not 100% accurate. The difference is like night and day. Every digital sculptor would love to have this feature.
Can't it be optional, so those seeking 100% accuracy could turn it off?

Confirmed.
Same with matcaps etc...

Confirmed.

Confirmed.

@Kent Davis (mac4kent) You mean this, right? The popup can't go out of the window/cropped text etc...?

@Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) Thanks for the clarification. But this intended behavior is a little tough to deal with. For example if I want to upgrade my keymap by changing some preference, I'd have to build everything from scratch. Quite painful.

Confirmed.

Are you looking for the keymap section?

Very useful. Can't wait to see it included. 😃

Disable Load UI when opening the blend file.

Looks more like something not yet implemented, than a bug.

I wish the cursor had it's own color setting.

This is a tough one to theme, as it seems like it doesn't have a separate dedicated theme setting.

@Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) It's showing 4 here too.

Ok, I just configured my keymap and did a quick test, and yes, both features are working pretty well together. The click for "cycling" is not that slow either. I can comfortably click to cycle or double click to loop select. So there are no issues at all imo.

@Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) Okay I see. Most 3d softwares have this feature yeah, but usually only for object modes or similar. I never saw this in an edit mesh situation. I'm not even sure if it's that useful in edit mode.
Double click to loop select seems far more handy than this in edit mode tho.
But even in those other apps, this feature always requires you to "click slowly" for it to work, otherwise you'll trigger the double click event.
So I guess both features can still be available in edit mode without conflicting?

Sorry, but what is "selection cycling"?
Is it a very often used feature?
I can say that the double click to loop select made a lot of users happy. If there's a chance to bring this back, I'd go for it.

That's very unfortunate. This was truly a handy feature and standard in most 3D apps. I don't think it's good to have it only for the Emulate 3 Button Mouse feature.
I hope you guys decide to bring that back.

Confirmed.

This is perfect.

How can I even comfortably see a very long file path in the sidebar?
Opening the sidebar/resizing just to see the full file path is just too much work imo.
I'd prefer no change at all, than putting it on the sidebar.

Please, having the file path visible on the screen is important.
If it's not possible to have it at bottom then just move it on the right side of the Run Script button. Having it in the sidebar is not ideal, because you're basically hiding something very important.

In T57857#559319, @Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) wrote: do we show the eye icon in the outliner or not?

In T54943#559093, @Ludvik Koutny (rawalanche) wrote: One more I am sure many would appreciate is if "Load UI" when opening .blend file was off by default.

Confirmed.

Confirmed!

There was a similar crash on windows too, but it was fixed already. Try to update to the last build.

In D3088#90223, @Julian Eisel (Severin) wrote:

The leftmost section is now independently scrollable from the rest, but the theme category (User Interface, Text Style, ...) is unmodified. I'd love to have further improvements there but that's not in scope of this patch.

Thanks. One question, will those areas be scrollable independent?

Hi, Looks good.
Any screenshots of the Themes/Input sections? 😃

Just to add on it, the transform tool is not working at all.
If you try to click on any of the gizmo handles (for move, scale or rotate) it always just moves.

I'm stumbling with this issue over and over.
Will it be fixed in time for the beta?
Thanks.

Confirmed.

In T56744#555872, @Julien Kaspar (JulienKaspar) wrote:

Maybe the proposed system still works. With RMB in LMB select you can open a brush selection menu that can display all brushes of all tools and if all shortcuts are still working the same way then it should be just as fast right?

Can we just have the global brush palette back?
We need a way (a panel) to see and access all the sculpting brushes available.at once.
This new system is very hard and slow to use.

Yeah. See: https://developer.blender.org/T57904

Yes. Brush menu on right click in sculpt mode would be handy.

Hmm, I found that this tool works fine in most cases. Improvements would be great, but I'm not sure if the removal is a good idea. This is still very useful as it is, IMO.

Yes, crash when starting blender in the last build.

The details of this bug and how to accurately reproduce it were described in this BA post: https://blenderartists.org/t/blender-2-8-viewport-updates/1114082/754

In T55162#550053, @Zino Guerr (Zino) wrote:

how you guys going to handle lasso masking? i think right now it's shift+ctrl which only adds i don't think works well..probably should be exposed as a separate mode that only activates when ctrl is on, like other sculpting apps.... so the hotkeys is ctrl adds and ctrl+alt subs whenever the mask mode is active..

In T55162#549847, @YAFU (YAFU) wrote:

Ctrl is not really Subtract in sculpt mode. Ctrl does the opposite of the selected brush mode you have. If you are in brush Subtract mode, then Ctrl add.

In T55162#549786, @Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc) wrote:

In T55162#549785, @ThinkingPolygons (ThinkingPolygons) wrote:

@Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc) If you think about consistency inside of blender, you'll realize that using ctrl for subtract doesn't make sense there.

There is noting can be about consistency but about relevance and accessibility.
Relevant functions should be accessible easier, not "like in Zbrush" or "Substance Painter."
If you are setting default button to a key, that even don't exist or is moved on some keyboard types, obviously, you are making mistake.

Also.

There is no consistency about Alt in sculpting, because it is not shortcut, as far as it requires pressing.
So both Alt and Ctrl have the same consistency.

@Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc) If you think about consistency inside of blender, you'll realize that using ctrl for subtract doesn't make sense there.

In T55162#548901, @TheRedWaxPolice (TheRedWaxPolice) wrote:

Hi.
Why the ALT key is not used for subtract in sculpt mode, instead of CTRL? It would be more in line with how generally the hotkeys work in Blender (A/ALT+A, H/ALT+H etc), and also would be more compatible with other sculpting apps like ZBrush etc..

IMO, the default collection should come expanded by default in the outliner. It's kinda weird not to see at a glance what's in your scene when you launch blender, also when you start adding objects it feels weird not to see the feedback in the outliner. ✌

In D3840#87518, @Julian Eisel (Severin) wrote:

In D3840#87516, @ThinkingPolygons (ThinkingPolygons) wrote:

Hi. Will we also have the options for top and bottom or it will be just left and right?

For now it's just left and right. I don't think top/bottom is really needed? We already have the header there.

In D3840#87476, @Julian Eisel (Severin) wrote:

• Fix tabs not aligning correctly when tab-bar is swapped to right

Sorry but this behavior is quite desirable. ✌