@Evan (Ampersand) this has been fixed my friend..few days ago, download the latest version.
T64329

i think devs being on mac/linux can't see that this breaks convention, here i have compiled a few examples of other softwares and as you can see they follow a certain convetion even if they are different heck even MS-Paint with no so many option has that..i think this shouldn't not thrown out of the window.

IMHO this is unnecessary, Quit and Preferences should stay in File/Edit menus, these are the standard on every "windows" program, which the majority of current and future blender users know.....and the double blender icons in the titlebar/menubar will not make it easy to discover, acutally i would remove the menubar icon completely since the splashscreen already exists in the help menu but if you guys go with this then i agree to change it to "hamburger" icon or just text..cheers.

@Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) i guess you're right but i hope you guys consider that people might make mistakes so often and would want to revert to previous state without starting from scratch....
that's what other apps suffer from and we were always told to delete the preferences folder to fix the problem which is not convenient for people who likes to customize evey part of the software.

wouldn't be better to do it in the status bar whenever there is a change,of course with bold colours and yes and no options?

i too have the same issue even with the default scene ,and if i disable just the transform gizmos in the popover it goes back to normal speed...one note though the same for Active tools gizmos however if you hide them with the popover option the issue still there and u can select them even if they are hidden, probably that's another bug.

@YAFU (YAFU) what about "3d Pencil", that's something you don't see everyday :)

when we create a new blank object it has the name "GPencil" in the outliner, which i assume it's internal code name, doesn't that cause a problem if you change it to something else? i would vote for "Anim Pencil" or "2d Pencil"..etc, something that shows the same naming convention.

In T61561#670535, @Antonio Vazquez (antoniov) wrote:

@William Reynish (billreynish) Is this as it was designed or it's a bug?
Look at the green Draw icon.

@TheRedWaxPolice (TheRedWaxPolice) personally i use box select on RMB click drag and hotkeys for transform tools even have cycling transform tools with a hotkey , this way not only i can select but also click drag with manipulators on LMB and they don't interfere with selecting components pretty much like "Right click select".....now when you use selection tools you have to be outside the selected components otherwise it will deselect from the cursor's position especially with "substract". i know this is unorthodox way but i found it much more intuitve and fast the only thing is missing is to be able to toggle transform tools that's all what i am looking for either from the Active tools or the pop-over ones if we can map anyone of them to our own hotkeys then they can both stay since not all of us find this little problem annoying.

In T54963#665280, @TheRedWaxPolice (TheRedWaxPolice) wrote:

In T54963#664924, @Zino Guerr (Zino) wrote:

i want to ask what id the real difference bewteen these two?, wouldn't be ideal to replace the Transform tools with the pop-over ones

No, they are different, With the "real" transform tools you can click and drag anywhere to transform, which is a top feature. The "overlay" gizmos are great to help the tools that doesn't have gizmos, like the selection tools, so you can for example box select and still have the gizmo available etc... They both need to exist.

i want to ask what id the real difference bewteen these two?, wouldn't be ideal to replace the Transform tools with the pop-over ones ,so they can be used with the industry hotkeys and work with other Active Tools epsecially selection tools and i beleive it will even bring 2.79 functioanlity to be easily toggleable....and the pop-over can remain for the other options.

i would like to point out that moving "Mode and select mode..etc" to the tool settings bar is not ideal and here is why.

i am not fan of this double header to be honest, it causes too much clutter in the viewport.
it should be clean as much possible, no need to go to the old way with nonsensical design.

In D4680#106585, @Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) wrote:

@Zino Guerr (Zino), that is not really affected by this change one way or the other.

from the mockup seemed like one part or double header, since you guys are moving the topbar per 3d view, glad that it won't cause an affect.

sorry didn't know there was another open ticket, should have searched first.

i didn't use 2.79 too much i went straight to 2.80..so that's understandable, thanks.

wouldn't be best to make it an option in the overlays then?, edit mode components dispaly should be persistent it will threw people off...this is how it has been not only in blender but any 3d softwares.

this bug still apparent when switching rendering modes like EEVEE or Cycles, should i open a new ticket since this one is marked resolved? thanks.

@Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) thanks, it's fixed now.

@Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) it still crashes when adding new geo or importing fbx, but only importing Obj doesn't crash.

@Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) i think there is a bug in object mode->(solid), it doesn't display on selected meshes like in 2.79.

i am with william on this, also set origin no longer brings the menu, it sets geo to origin directly..we need it back plz so pivoting/snapping with 3D cursor..etc is faster.

hey Pablo, it crashes aftwards.

thank you, now it's fast and easy to remember, overlays can get in the way sometimes so it's useful to quickly toggle them off with a shortcut, going to the header each time is not ideal unless you want to keep certain elements on (personal opinion of course).

+1 for Brecht's suggestion.

i think removing “hide toggle” is fine as it has hotkeys for it (H,Alt+H…etc) this make outliner cleaner , but restrict selection per object should be kept, as there is no other way to do it, and object type/collection popovers are nice especially if you work in full screen mode, u can move objects to collections with 'M', maybe make all these in one instead of the popover,so u won't need the outliner in full-screen.

@Campbell Barton (campbellbarton) from the old proposal of "industry keymap aka compatible keymap" i saw that u guys going to make Alt+LMB for rotate Atl+MMB for panning and Alt+RMB for zoom, is that scraped?it could work ...for the spacebar at least for works well as it's,
the UI now is more clean and easy to discover all options epescially with tool/top-bars..etc, accessing tools in quick and easy way is more convenient and it's contextual,F3 makes perfect sense to me..but like you said more users need to give feedback on this.

@William Reynish (billreynish) as of right now tab switches edit/object modes and ctrl+tab opens pie menu and the suggestion is to flip them right!!..as far as i know people switch to edit mode more often than the others..i am fine with whatever you guys pick since i use tilda for opening the pie menu instead it goes well with shift+tab for snapping and ctrl+tab for snapping options.

@William Reynish (billreynish) ah i see, this means the edit mode becomes ctrl+tab that's a bit slow, i would suggest each should be it's own hotkey, like tab for edit mode, tilda for pie menu and alt+tilda for view modes, snapping is already shift+tab and since ctrl+tab is free it can be assigned to snapping menu, i even added ctrl tilda for view navigation..u guys can try this and see if it works or not, thanks.

i tried the tab drag and tab click myself, changing pie menu threshold and everything, it didn't work well,it always has issues,
so i mapped it to tilda keeping tab for just edit mode........for spacebari think many will pick their own, animators want it for playback, others for search and people like me stick with Active tool..i think the default should be something simple and easy for new users who won't be frasutrated trying to figure out all these complex combinations and what not,the veteran ones know how to navigate and change these Behaviors , heck even i could ;)

In T57756#552848, @Clément Foucault (fclem) wrote:

Can't reproduce here either. It's a really strange bug. Only thing that could lead to this is if the id of the mesh changes for each faces or if the mesh is rendered in wireframe.

In T55162#550224, @Paul Kotelevets (1D_Inc) wrote:

About accessibility and relevance.

Sculpting gets higher priority in relevance, so it uses easy acces buttons:
LMB - nice for direct sculpting
Ctrl+LMB - nice for substractive sculpting (as it is used more often it uses key with easier access.)
Shift+LMB - nice for smoothing

Lasso priority is lower, so it uses more complex and hard to reach buttons
Ctrl+Shift is nice for lasso.
Alt or Alt+Shift should be inverted lasso selection in sculpting - because ALT is still not present on some keyboards and it can be replaced with Ctrl+Shift "Value inverted" setup.

how you guys going to handle lasso masking? i think right now it's shift+ctrl which only adds i don't think works well..probably should be exposed as a separate mode that only activates when ctrl is on, like other sculpting apps.... so the hotkeys is ctrl adds and ctrl+alt subs whenever the mask mode is active..

@Rafael Ivan Hattge (rafaelhattge) i agree with you in most parts making blender more intuitive in left select mode is essential however blender has things that are completely different from other apps like 3d cursor, entering/exiting modes..etc they need to be taken into consideration...i came from maya and i had to heavily modify the 2.8 right click keymap to work with left click/select box ..etc..some parts need more work like pivot pointing from origin and snapping.....pie menus help a bit but you always have to enter and exit edit mode and use menus.

@Stephen Swaney (stiv) , i added the driver version, and the file is just the default cube..also i asked clément and he said it's not a driver issue but he knows what's happening.

hi @Clément Foucault (fclem) i also found a related bug but on windows 10 with GTX 1050 ti, it's reproducible each time in edit mode ,even if you just transform one face it will switch from solid to wireframes when the mesh is off screen, especially going south and adding operations the 4 directions start to show the same effect...here is a quick demonstration.

i like how Viewport Manipulators work when u hover over their axes they are highlighted and easy to read, right now when u try to rotate is a bit confusing , maybe that's how the gizmos should behave too so u can remove those infinite lines or something.

i don't know if it's planned or not but i noticed in blender u can assign the same hotkey multiple times but only counts for the first one. it would be useful to have something that tells you that the hotkey is already assigned and gives you the possibility to override the other one.

i think "Extras display" will be more fitting.

now u guys changed it again.. Solid/wireframes should be one toggle on the pie menu, and X-Ray toggle for Wireframe and solid...just want to ensure we can have x-ray off in wireframe mode :)

right now i use 'Q' quick favorites for wireframes and overlays ,i think Alt-Q(not mapped to anything yet) could be used to switch wireframes on/off or reverse it like in 2.7x , Z for wireframes and Alt-Q for x-ray....and same in edit mode, Z for Occlude Selection and Alt-Q for x-ray.

In T54728#510395, @Joshua Leung (aligorith) wrote:

IIRC, Shift-O is currently used for "Sample Keys". That said, maybe we don't need a dedicated hotkey for it (and the Smooth Keys - Alt-O) operators, as I don't think they're actually used that much that they necessarily need the hotkey.