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Sun, Jan 13

Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

It looks like old Mediawiki doesn't want to work nicely with php7. Also there's no guarantee that the result will look anything like the current one, so I guess its gonna be a new 10 d crawl..

Sun, Jan 13, 2:41 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Hi, I'm now contemplating to do another full retrieve, so this would be a perfect time to make decisions about suggestions from @nBurn (nBurn) in T48096#594983. Anyone else also want those changes?

Sun, Jan 13, 9:45 AM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Wed, Jan 9

Francesco Siddi (fsiddi) closed T60353: Cannot subscribe (reactivate) my Certified Trainer Profile as Invalid.

Hi Henrique, we do not handle Blender Network issues here on developer.blender.org.
I forwarded the issue to support at blendernetwork.org and we will be in touch via email.

Wed, Jan 9, 6:27 PM · Infrastructure: Blender Foundation Certified Trainers, Infrastructure: Websites
Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) assigned T60353: Cannot subscribe (reactivate) my Certified Trainer Profile to Pablo Vazquez (pablovazquez).
Wed, Jan 9, 5:53 PM · Infrastructure: Blender Foundation Certified Trainers, Infrastructure: Websites
Henrique Balduino Gonzaga (henriquebg88) created T60353: Cannot subscribe (reactivate) my Certified Trainer Profile.
Wed, Jan 9, 5:41 PM · Infrastructure: Blender Foundation Certified Trainers, Infrastructure: Websites

Mon, Jan 7

Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Yes, the only special pages currently included are the edit and history pages. Technically, all those specials (non-existing parent page, what links here, recent user contributions for User:X pages) can be added, if someone else also seconds this motion? "What links here" and "recent user contributions" could be retrieved to e.g. links.html and contributions.html located under page folders. I don't think they would add too much to archive size, it would just take me time to do it.

Mon, Jan 7, 5:18 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
nBurn (nBurn) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

There seems to be some weirdness going on if wiki user's created subpages without a base page.

Mon, Jan 7, 12:41 AM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Sun, Jan 6

Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

I would keep all the deleted pages and their redirects. This would avoid broken links.

Sun, Jan 6, 5:13 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Inês Almeida (brita_) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

I would keep all the deleted pages and their redirects. This would avoid broken links.
I don't think that the asccii character issue is is a good compromise as this will result in broken links? Or maybe I misunderstood something.

Sun, Jan 6, 12:33 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Mon, Dec 31

Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Ok, new version of archived wiki is available temporarily for review at http://tkeskita.kapsi.fi/temp/en.blender.org/

  • Page list available in text and html formats. Pages now include also deleted pages and redirections to deleted pages. Page count is 53173 out of 53221, so almost everything seems to be included.
  • Includes index.html, edit.html and history.html pages for each wiki page. History page lists date and username of 50 latest edits.
  • Page names may contain underscores instead of spaces, and they should both be found. This was done by creating directory symlinks like "Release_Notes" that point to "Release Notes". Is this OK?
  • All links to en.blender.org in pages have been converted into relative paths, so this can be freely placed in any directory and links should work. Since the whole script size is now 350 lines, the current bash script is attached here:

Mon, Dec 31, 4:40 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Agree, I wouldn't worry too much about fixing every broken link. It's nice if it doesn't take too much time, but for an archived website it's ok if only the basics are functional.

Mon, Dec 31, 2:15 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

I think proposals and plans can be on subpages of the relevant pages of code documentation. For example for Cycles we have roadmap and todo subpages.

Mon, Dec 31, 12:29 PM · Infrastructure: Websites

Sun, Dec 30

nBurn (nBurn) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

I wouldn't worry about saving the full edit history. I'm not sure how you could preserve that without a significant increase to the total size and file count of the wiki archive. It might be helpful to see who the last 50 or 100 people that edited the page are (and maybe the first 50 edits), but if someone needed more info than that they could download the wiki data dump.

Sun, Dec 30, 8:02 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Sat, Dec 29

Inês Almeida (brita_) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

It would be good to decide on the best place for work-in-progress documents and proposals.

Sat, Dec 29, 8:13 PM · Infrastructure: Websites

Fri, Dec 21

Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

I've been wondering about history pages. After pages are static it will not be possible to do comparisons between versions, so you will only see who edited the page last and when. Is it still interesting to save history page? @Inês Almeida (brita_)?

Fri, Dec 21, 4:24 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
LazyDodo (LazyDodo) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

I was browsing the scraped copy last week, and bumped into a searchbox somewhere, we'd probably have to get rid of those otherwise users will use them and make tickets that it is not working.

I guess you mean the quick search on lower left corner? Good idea! I'll also remove the "Page" menu from top right and "Wiki" menu from bottom right.

Fri, Dec 21, 2:58 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.
  1. The old wiki contains deleted pages, such as this, which redirects to here which is deleted. wget does not want to download such pages. Is it OK to leave these pages out, or should I try to find some way to get also them in? My script is collecting a list of these failed pages, let's see how long it gets.
Fri, Dec 21, 2:23 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

I was browsing the scraped copy last week, and bumped into a searchbox somewhere, we'd probably have to get rid of those otherwise users will use them and make tickets that it is not working.

Fri, Dec 21, 2:03 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Thu, Dec 20

LazyDodo (LazyDodo) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

I was browsing the scraped copy last week, and bumped into a searchbox somewhere, we'd probably have to get rid of those otherwise users will use them and make tickets that it is not working.

Thu, Dec 20, 9:20 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Dan McGrath (dmcgrath) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.
  1. @Dan McGrath (dmcgrath) : My script has stopped running a few times, wget says "Unable to establish SSL connection." When I try to continue, the page is loaded without errors. Any ideas what is causing this? I'm not choking the server, am I?
Thu, Dec 20, 9:17 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.
  1. The old wiki contains deleted pages, such as this, which redirects to here which is deleted. wget does not want to download such pages. Is it OK to leave these pages out, or should I try to find some way to get also them in? My script is collecting a list of these failed pages, let's see how long it gets.
  2. The old wiki contains pages with non-ascii characters in their page names, which at least my ext4 filesystem does not like to use correctly as directory name, such as this. I'm gonna convert all special characters in page names into %XX hexadecimal representation, using wget option --restrict-file-names=ascii. That way the pages will at least be downloaded, but I think they will not be found if you just try to access the static wiki like this, instead they would be accessible like this which makes it impossible to read. This affects only the page name, the page contents is still intact. Is this compromise acceptable? This affects only non-english pages.
  3. Just realized that the static wiki URL for "Page" would be "https://archive.blender.org/wiki/index.php/Page, so the base path is /wiki/index.php and not just /wiki. Is that OK?
  4. @Dan McGrath (dmcgrath) : My script has stopped running a few times, wget says "Unable to establish SSL connection." When I try to continue, the page is loaded without errors. Any ideas what is causing this? I'm not choking the server, am I?
Thu, Dec 20, 5:03 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Dec 17 2018

Sergey Sharybin (sergey) added a comment to P841 Changes to the bug submit form.

@Brecht Van Lommel (brecht), ah, much blind. Ok then :)

Dec 17 2018, 1:00 PM · Infrastructure: Websites
Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) added a comment to P841 Changes to the bug submit form.

People could use a throwaway email address.

Dec 17 2018, 12:53 PM · Infrastructure: Websites
Sergey Sharybin (sergey) added a comment to P841 Changes to the bug submit form.

@Brecht Van Lommel (brecht), ity shouldn't be possible to have any activity in the dev.b.o for until you verify your email. So that part i didn't quite understand.

Dec 17 2018, 12:50 PM · Infrastructure: Websites
Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) added a comment to P841 Changes to the bug submit form.

I don't think changes to the form make that much of a difference either way. We have been through many iterations on the old bug tracker and on Phabricator. We had fields in the old tracker, and some people would put wrong information just to fill things in. They're just a significant amount of users who don't follow instructions no matter what you do.

Dec 17 2018, 12:30 PM · Infrastructure: Websites

Dec 16 2018

Dan McGrath (dmcgrath) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Does the wiki log whenever someone tries to visit a missing page? That would be a good way to identify broken links.

Dec 16 2018, 6:55 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

@Benjamin Humpherys (brhumphe) I don't know about mediawiki, but at least www server logs errors. Good idea to use those to make the final check, when I get there!

Dec 16 2018, 9:48 AM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Dec 15 2018

Inês Almeida (brita_) updated the task description for T48096: New Wiki.
Dec 15 2018, 9:43 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Inês Almeida (brita_) added a comment to P841 Changes to the bug submit form.

@Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) how do you feel about the results of the form?
I saw many bug reports that had the hash information, but still many people did not seem to understand that they were supposed to replace some of the information on the default text and just typed "Blender closes" or something similar.
Is this still a significant issue? We can try to put actual fields in the form for 'System Info' and 'Blender Version'.
We can also add "Type of problem": [Crash on Start | Crash | Blender is unresponsive or stuck | Bug | Can't open file | Other].

Dec 15 2018, 12:55 PM · Infrastructure: Websites

Dec 11 2018

Benjamin Humpherys (brhumphe) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Does the wiki log whenever someone tries to visit a missing page? That would be a good way to identify broken links.

Dec 11 2018, 8:36 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Uh oh, there are some lonesome island pages in the old wiki which are never linked to --> recursive wget did not find them. I need to do new retrieval with this pagelist. Maybe no need for acrobatics.. but this will take time.

Dec 11 2018, 8:10 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Thanks, found em! There was a file which seems to list each page and links from it to other pages, which I hope I can use. Currently it looks mildly painful though, some relative path acrobatics is needed..

Dec 11 2018, 7:51 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Dec 10 2018

Dan McGrath (dmcgrath) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.
@fsiddi : Thanks, I'll do that! I briefly tested that it indeed seems to fix the icon issue.

So the biggest issue still standing is the missing of some redirected directories. @Dan McGrath (dmcgrath) : Where is this mediawiki xml dump? I could maybe take a look at it. Thanks!

Dec 10 2018, 8:26 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

@Francesco Siddi (fsiddi) : Thanks, I'll do that! I briefly tested that it indeed seems to fix the icon issue.

Dec 10 2018, 8:03 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Francesco Siddi (fsiddi) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Hi Tuomo. First off, great work with the wiki baking. Thank you for your help with this!

Dec 10 2018, 9:01 AM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Dec 7 2018

Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

The icon problem does not seem to be related to those three removed lines I mention in T48096#571067:

Dec 7 2018, 8:22 AM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

If you go to http://tkeskita.kapsi.fi/temp/en.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/GSoC.1.html and check the very last link 'Getting Started' it doesn't match the target of the same link on https://en.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/GoogleSummerOfCode
I can see that the target page https://en.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/GoogleSummerOfCode/Getting_Started was moved. Maybe that is what is causing the issue.

Dec 7 2018, 7:30 AM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Dec 6 2018

Inês Almeida (brita_) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

@Inês Almeida (brita_):
I also got this weird thing:
Last link on http://tkeskita.kapsi.fi/temp/en.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/GSoC.1.html
has /2006 and it shouldn't (also on the navtree)
http://tkeskita.kapsi.fi/temp/en.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/GoogleSummerOfCode/2016/Students.html

I'm sorry I don't follow, can you please clarify?

Dec 6 2018, 11:58 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Thanks, I got the icons and put them to both to /extensions/TreeAndMenu/img and /extensions/BlenderTreeAndMenu/img but the navtree on left still does not show them. This is now going over my web skills. Maybe this is caused by my removal of these lines (below) in the source. If somebody knows about this, please suggest replacement strings.

Dec 6 2018, 1:41 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Dan McGrath (dmcgrath) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Icons should be under /extensions/BlenderTreeAndMenu/img/

wget did not populate that directory, and when I try to access https://en.blender.org/extensions/BlenderTreeAndMenu/img/ I get 403 Forbidden..? @Dan McGrath (dmcgrath) ?

Dec 6 2018, 11:37 AM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Francesco Siddi (fsiddi) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

You copy paste content from the existing wiki. Let's not derail this topic further, if you have any specific question feel free to reach out directly :)

Dec 6 2018, 10:17 AM · Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Icons should be under /extensions/BlenderTreeAndMenu/img/

Dec 6 2018, 7:29 AM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites
Aditia A. Pratama (aditiapratama) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

@Francesco Siddi (fsiddi) Just checking in. I'm new to this mediawiki and your instruction is quite straight forward. Anyway how do I replicate content on my local docker environment?

Dec 6 2018, 1:58 AM · Infrastructure: Websites

Dec 5 2018

Francesco Siddi (fsiddi) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

Hi Aditia, I started documenting our MediaWiki setup. I don't think there is much development to be done at this moment, but if you were able to check out my setup instructions and provide feedback that would be nice.

Dec 5 2018, 11:44 PM · Infrastructure: Websites
Tuomo Keskitalo (tkeskita) added a comment to T48096: New Wiki.

Thanks everyone, it is nice and motivating to know that your work is being appreciated! :)

Dec 5 2018, 7:52 PM · Documentation, Infrastructure: Websites

Dec 4 2018

Aditia A. Pratama (aditiapratama) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

Hello everyone,

Dec 4 2018, 11:57 PM · Infrastructure: Websites
Francesco Siddi (fsiddi) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

Thanks for the suggestions! I addressed them and deployed them.

Dec 4 2018, 10:27 PM · Infrastructure: Websites
Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

Also I don't want to be too nitpicky, but the difference between <h2> and <h3>, and <h4> and <h5> is barely visible on that page. So the structure isn't very clear.

Dec 4 2018, 1:33 AM · Infrastructure: Websites
Brecht Van Lommel (brecht) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

Thanks, two more issues I noticed, on this page for example: https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Reference/Release_Notes/2.80/Python_API/Addons

  • Note enough space after bullet lists
  • Missing box for code in <pre> tags, which is used like <source>.
Dec 4 2018, 1:24 AM · Infrastructure: Websites
Francesco Siddi (fsiddi) added a comment to T57987: Content Structure for the Developer Wiki.

Thanks. I addressed all the suggestions, except for the logo. I already placed an updated version of the logo on the server, but it breaks with the default skin (too high res). I'll replace it as soon as we switch. The next steps for me are:

Dec 4 2018, 12:18 AM · Infrastructure: Websites