Manipulator showing incorrect local axes in armature pose mode. #33575

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Tony Mullen · 2012-12-17T04:58:03+01:00

Tony Mullen commented

2012-12-17 04:58:03 +01:00

%%%Mac OS X, official 2.65 release and build 53020M.

Manipulator displays global axes when it should display local axes in pose mode.

Open attached file. Local is selected in the header and the armature is in pose mode. However, manipulators display global axes. Drag the green arrow. The bone moves along the correct local Y axis, at a right angle to the direction you're dragging. %%%

%%%Mac OS X, official 2.65 release and build 53020M. Manipulator displays global axes when it should display local axes in pose mode. Open attached file. Local is selected in the header and the armature is in pose mode. However, manipulators display global axes. Drag the green arrow. The bone moves along the correct local Y axis, at a right angle to the direction you're dragging. %%%

Tony Mullen commented

2012-12-17 04:58:03 +01:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

Campbell Barton commented

2012-12-17 08:23:29 +01:00

%%%This is working as expected 'Local' space means 'object space' which in this case is the same as global since the object isnt transformed.

you probably are looking for 'Normal'.

The term 'Normal' is fine for meshes, but quite confusing in this context.

Even so, this isnt a bug. Closing.
%%%

%%%This is working as expected 'Local' space means 'object space' which in this case is the same as global since the object isnt transformed. you probably are looking for 'Normal'. The term 'Normal' is fine for meshes, but quite confusing in this context. Even so, this isnt a bug. Closing. %%%

Tony Mullen commented

2012-12-17 09:48:59 +01:00

%%%Actually, I know about the behavior of Normal coordinates in pose mode. My understanding (and what Nathan Veghdal claims in his rigging video) is that the Loca Coordinates should reflect the coordinates of the bone in edit mode (even when the object is in pose mode).

In any case, this is DEFINITELY a bug, because if you drag the green arrow, the bone does not move in the direction of the green arrow, but rather 90 degrees from it. There is no excuse at all for a manipulator to express one coordinate system as drawn on the screen, but to transform the object or bone according to a completely different coordinate system. %%%

%%%Actually, I know about the behavior of Normal coordinates in pose mode. My understanding (and what Nathan Veghdal claims in his rigging video) is that the Loca Coordinates should reflect the coordinates of the bone *in edit mode* (even when the object is in pose mode). In any case, this is DEFINITELY a bug, because if you drag the green arrow, the bone does not move in the direction of the green arrow, but rather 90 degrees from it. There is no excuse at all for a manipulator to express one coordinate system as drawn on the screen, but to transform the object or bone according to a completely different coordinate system. %%%

Tony Mullen commented

2012-12-17 10:03:16 +01:00

%%%Here's a short video showing the problematic behavior:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1412402/coordinateproblem.avi%%%

%%%Here's a short video showing the problematic behavior: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1412402/coordinateproblem.avi%%%

Campbell Barton commented

2012-12-18 06:32:35 +01:00

%%%fixed r53102. also noticed active-element doesnt work for pose mode, will fix that next!

note, that when there are many bones selected - they each move on their own axis, so whatever is drawn may not mean a lot.

The way it works now if a few bones are all at similar rotation the manipulator axis will be approximately right, but if they are all very different its quite meaningless.%%%

%%%fixed r53102. also noticed active-element doesnt work for pose mode, will fix that next! note, that when there are many bones selected - they each move on their own axis, so whatever is drawn may not mean a lot. The way it works now if a few bones are all at similar rotation the manipulator axis will be approximately right, but if they are all very different its quite meaningless.%%%

Campbell Barton commented

2012-12-18 06:32:36 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'

Campbell Barton closed this issue

2012-12-18 06:32:36 +01:00

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Manipulator showing incorrect local axes in armature pose mode. #33575