Problem with Rignify Layer Name #39336

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yellow foxz · 2014-03-22T07:08:45+01:00

yellow foxz commented

2014-03-22 07:08:45 +01:00

System Information
Operating system and graphics card
Win7, intel i5,
Blender Version
2.70 hash 19e627c not working
actually from blender 2.60 to 2.70 hash 19e627c (latest)
download this file >>rignify_prob.blend

Short description of error
layer name for rignify problem.not prompt out for arm.ik R
Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
first Add metarig,in pose mode,try to move the bones, then copy current pose to selected bone,then Generate rignify
see this images

**System Information** Operating system and graphics card Win7, intel i5, **Blender Version** 2.70 hash 19e627c not working actually from blender 2.60 to 2.70 hash 19e627c (latest) download this file >>[rignify_prob.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F82183/rignify_prob.blend) **Short description of error** layer name for rignify problem.not prompt out for arm.ik R **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** first Add metarig,in pose mode,try to move the bones, then copy current pose to selected bone,then Generate rignify see this images ![1.PNG](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F82175/1.PNG) ![3.PNG](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F82176/3.PNG) ![2.PNG](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F82177/2.PNG) ![4.PNG](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F82178/4.PNG)

yellow foxz commented

2014-03-22 07:08:45 +01:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

yellow foxz commented

2014-03-22 07:08:45 +01:00

Added subscriber: @yellowfoxz

blender-admin commented

2014-03-22 07:08:45 +01:00

#40657 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-03-22 07:55:00 +01:00

Added subscriber: @mont29

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-03-22 07:55:00 +01:00

I can reproduce the issue, but only when I paste with X-axis mirror enabled…

yellow foxz commented

2014-03-22 15:20:32 +01:00

did u download my .blend file and try to regenerate rignify, i have tried 5 times,with no mirror axis,,same error came out

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-03-22 15:52:13 +01:00

I sure did, for me issue only show up once I have pasted the pose with the X-mirror option enabled. Without it, I can’t reproduce the issue… Bug is still there, anyway!

yellow foxz commented

2014-03-23 05:42:43 +01:00

hope you can completely fix it ....

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-06-16 13:52:59 +02:00

◀ Merged tasks: #40657.

Jefferson Rausseo commented

2014-08-04 00:19:49 +02:00

Added subscriber: @jefrau

Jefferson Rausseo commented

2014-08-04 00:19:49 +02:00

(Sorry for my bad English)

The error is when we copy the pose, not only the translation, rotation and scala is copied, the "Rigify Type" properties are also copied, including the "Control Layers".

Rigify add the bones copied in the same layer when you build the rig.

(Sorry for my bad English) The error is when we copy the pose, not only the translation, rotation and scala is copied, the "Rigify Type" properties are also copied, including the "Control Layers". Rigify add the bones copied in the same layer when you build the rig. ![Error_with_Rigify.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F101414/Error_with_Rigify.png)

Jefferson Rausseo commented

2014-09-11 16:44:13 +02:00

Do not know if the problem is in Rigify, I think the problem is in Blender for copying properties of the bone (Rigify Type), when it should only copy the transformations of the pose (translation, rotation and scale).

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-09-11 19:22:20 +02:00

Added subscriber: @JoshuaLeung

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-09-11 19:22:20 +02:00

Nice catch! Have to summon Joshua here!

Code indeed copies custom properties, since they are part of the PoseBone ID-like 'object'. Not sure this is really desired behavior though? Or should we only copy loc/rot/scale?

Nice catch! Have to summon Joshua here! Code indeed copies custom properties, since they are part of the PoseBone ID-like 'object'. Not sure this is really desired behavior though? Or should we *only* copy loc/rot/scale?

Jefferson Rausseo commented

2014-09-17 18:10:23 +02:00

Should only copy loc/rot/scale

Joshua Leung commented

2014-09-18 07:46:55 +02:00

Responding to the latest comments/questions first:
It is essential that copying the pose copies custom properties, as these play an important role in defining the pose for many rigs (particular those where there are any facial controls involved). This is intended behaviour, and was deliberately added. Not copying these properties for such rigs means that the copied pose simply doesn't represent the original pose that an animator had been intending to copy.

Responding to the latest comments/questions first: It is **essential** that copying the pose copies custom properties, as these play an important role in defining the pose for many rigs (particular those where there are any facial controls involved). This is intended behaviour, and was deliberately added. Not copying these properties for such rigs means that the copied pose simply doesn't represent the original pose that an animator had been intending to copy.

Joshua Leung commented

2014-09-18 07:50:27 +02:00

Regarding the original problem:
Unless I'm mistaken, why on earth are you trying to pose the metarig?! AFAIK, the metarig is not meant to be used for animation, posing, or anything of that sort. You simply shouldn't be trying to pose it, and even if you do, you should not be copying anything off that rig.

The only things you should be doing with the metarig are done in editmode (i.e. moving bones around to fit)... that's it. Once the bones are in place, you generate the real control rig, which is what you should be using to animate.

Regarding the original problem: Unless I'm mistaken, why on earth are you trying to pose the metarig?! AFAIK, the metarig is not meant to be used for animation, posing, or anything of that sort. You simply shouldn't be trying to pose it, and even if you do, you should not be copying anything off that rig. The only things you should be doing with the metarig are done in editmode (i.e. moving bones around to fit)... that's it. Once the bones are in place, you generate the real control rig, which is what you should be using to animate.

yellow foxz commented

2014-09-18 08:49:11 +02:00

i'm looking for easiest way to symmetry both part of arms just for precision and accuracy as blender give me the features,by copy and paste mode, in pose mode i will apply this pose as rest position,once in edit mode ,the posing in edit mode will be the same as pose mode.here i will generate rigify for final rig..

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-10-10 19:23:46 +02:00

@yellowfoxz in this case, you should simply edit your armature with the 'X-Axis Mirror' option ON (Options tab of Tools (T) panel, in 3DView, EditMode).

Anyway, this is not a bug in the end, think we can close it now.

@yellowfoxz in this case, you should simply edit your armature with the 'X-Axis Mirror' option ON (Options tab of Tools (T) panel, in 3DView, EditMode). Anyway, this is not a bug in the end, think we can close it now.

Bastien Montagne commented

2014-10-10 19:23:56 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Bastien Montagne closed this issue

2014-10-10 19:23:56 +02:00

Bastien Montagne self-assigned this 2014-10-10 19:23:56 +02:00

yellow foxz commented

2014-10-11 05:26:12 +02:00

is arm.ik R name still bug when i create/make base on 4 pictures above ?there still a bug there,when i make the way like that..no name for arm.ik.R in rig layers tab.https://developer.blender.org/file/data/4wqrdywwwerhvakef5ew/PHID-FILE-3mpvbx7edpkpcsbs32ya/4.PNG

i think it is better ,if i make video,so here it is Problem_with_Rignify_Layer_Name.rar as lower size possible,take a look what inside !

instead of edit mode,sometime this copy paste is useful for non distructive (length of bones)

for me i use it quite a lot...

is arm.ik R name still bug when i create/make base on 4 pictures above ?there still a bug there,when i make the way like that..no name for arm.ik.R in rig layers tab.https://developer.blender.org/file/data/4wqrdywwwerhvakef5ew/PHID-FILE-3mpvbx7edpkpcsbs32ya/4.PNG i think it is better ,if i make video,so here it is [Problem_with_Rignify_Layer_Name.rar](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F115811/Problem_with_Rignify_Layer_Name.rar) as lower size possible,take a look what inside ! instead of edit mode,sometime this copy paste is useful for non distructive (length of bones) for me i use it quite a lot...

Jefferson Rausseo commented

2014-10-13 17:02:49 +02:00

You must manipulate your rig through the "Edit Mode" option, you should not use "Pose Mode". When you use "copy pose" and "copy paste" the properties of bone are also copied, including the layers where they will.

In the video "Pose Mode" is used, so happens, as explained in the above messages, it is not a bug. That rig is made to be manipulated into "Edit Mode", not "Pose Mode".

You must manipulate your rig through the "Edit Mode" option, you should not use "Pose Mode". When you use "copy pose" and "copy paste" the properties of bone are also copied, including the layers where they will. In the video "Pose Mode" is used, so happens, as explained in the above messages, it is not a bug. That rig is made to be manipulated into "Edit Mode", not "Pose Mode".

Jefferson Rausseo commented

2014-10-13 17:35:42 +02:00

You can also manipulate the rig in "Pose Mode" and then change the properties of bone.

These properties are used for "interactive menu" of the rig, when for example copies the pose of an arm, also the property that handles the layer where is that bone is copied , everything goes into that layer as a result of copying the pose.

When copying pose bone properties are also copied, so a possible solution would be to copy the pose and then add the initial properties.

Sorry for my bad English but I try with google translator XD

You can also manipulate the rig in "Pose Mode" and then change the properties of bone. ![blender.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F116467/blender.jpg) These properties are used for "interactive menu" of the rig, when for example copies the pose of an arm, also the property that handles the layer where is that bone is copied , everything goes into that layer as a result of copying the pose. When copying pose bone properties are also copied, so a possible solution would be to copy the pose and then add the initial properties. Sorry for my bad English but I try with google translator XD

yellow foxz commented

2014-10-16 16:05:38 +02:00

ok,but i suggest , you should give a warning ,whenever users try to pose and generate rigify button.after editing in pose mode like i did....a warning rigify cannot generate when ever users try to edit in pose mode....

if so,there are many users out there about (let say 10 millions)may try this way,of course when it comes like this ,they will report as bug. :D

if it is not a bug, i dont see any warning to restrict me to do that....

ok thanks for your solution,
but doing like u said is really inconvenient. whenever i try to copy and paste to other bone instead of arm, like foot,,,i need to remember the position of that particular properties.

by the way this software really amazing than max n maya, but too many bugs cause people frustrated. unless please put some info,warning or anything that can show this software does not has any bugs at all.

i guess pro users will use more than normal user.

ok,but i suggest , you should give a warning ,whenever users try to pose and generate rigify button.after editing in pose mode like i did....a warning rigify cannot generate when ever users try to edit in pose mode.... if so,there are many users out there about (let say 10 millions)may try this way,of course when it comes like this ,they will report as bug. :D if it is not a bug, i dont see any warning to restrict me to do that.... ok thanks for your solution, but doing like u said is really inconvenient. whenever i try to copy and paste to other bone instead of arm, like foot,,,i need to remember the position of that particular properties. by the way this software really amazing than max n maya, but too many bugs cause people frustrated. unless please put some info,warning or anything that can show this software does not has any bugs at all. i guess pro users will use more than normal user.

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