fcurve modifier scaling oddity #43104

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opened 2015-01-03 01:51:36 +01:00 by lower case · 14 comments

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Win7 64

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Broken: 2.6, 2.7

Short description of error
something funny happens when adding a noise modifier to an fcurve and time scaling is set to certain values... not big deal and may be just a limitation but thought of filling as a bug anyway

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
add a rotation keyframe to default cube, add a noise modifier to some fcurve, set modifier strength to 10 and scale to 0.1, press play and nothing happens... now set scale to 0.999 or .101 and it works fine! same happens with .025 or .05

noise.blend

**System Information** Win7 64 **Blender Version** Broken: 2.6, 2.7 **Short description of error** something funny happens when adding a noise modifier to an fcurve and time scaling is set to certain values... not big deal and may be just a limitation but thought of filling as a bug anyway **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** add a rotation keyframe to default cube, add a noise modifier to some fcurve, set modifier strength to 10 and scale to 0.1, press play and nothing happens... now set scale to 0.999 or .101 and it works fine! same happens with .025 or .05 [noise.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F134873/noise.blend)
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Please try with blender from https://builder.blender.org/download/

Please try with blender from https://builder.blender.org/download/
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get the blend and press play, all 3 planes should rotate... it does not work here

get the blend and press play, all 3 planes should rotate... it does not work here
Joshua Leung self-assigned this 2015-01-03 05:44:39 +01:00
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IIRC, a similar issue used to occur when using other combinations of settings. Assigning to self to have a quick check on this.

IIRC, a similar issue used to occur when using other combinations of settings. Assigning to self to have a quick check on this.

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Its an interesting issue but easy to workaround by setting the phase.

setting as TODO.

Its an interesting issue but easy to workaround by setting the phase. setting as TODO.
Joshua Leung was unassigned by Sybren A. Stüvel 2020-11-09 18:34:04 +01:00

Added subscribers: @BassamKurdali, @dr.sybren

Added subscribers: @BassamKurdali, @dr.sybren

This still happens (@BassamKurdali tested), and having a scale=0.1 not work and scale=0.101 work does seem like a bug to me.

This still happens (@BassamKurdali tested), and having a scale=0.1 not work and scale=0.101 work does seem like a bug to me.
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Looked into this briefly. It seems to me that this is just a byproduct of how the Perlin Noise function (and its zero points) behaves. The function will be zero at integer intervals if the scale is a multiple of the phase and the offset is an integer. I guess a fix for this would be to set the offset to a default value of 0.5 (with a scale of 1.0, so half the scale). Then this would always give different values at integer (frame) intervals.

Looked into this briefly. It seems to me that this is just a byproduct of how the Perlin Noise function (and its zero points) behaves. The function will be zero at integer intervals if the scale is a multiple of the phase and the offset is an integer. I guess a fix for this would be to set the offset to a default value of 0.5 (with a scale of 1.0, so half the scale). Then this would always give different values at integer (frame) intervals.

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Archived'

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Archived'

Thanks for the analysis @filedescriptor . I take back my "this seems like a bug" and replace it with "this is by design".

Thanks for the analysis @filedescriptor . I take back my "this seems like a bug" and replace it with "this is by design".
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