Wrong keypress for [ and ] on Spanish Keyboard #48471

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David Ballesteros · 2016-05-19T21:46:24+02:00

David Ballesteros commented

2016-05-19 21:46:24 +02:00

System Information
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Versión 10.0.10240 compilación 10240

GeForce GTX 970
Nvidia geforce Driver 365.10

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz, 4001 Mhz, 4 procesadores principales, 8 procesadores lógicos
RAM 32,0 GB

Blender Version
Broken: 2.77a official.

Hi,
Reading and practicing with the Blender manual, on https://www.blender.org/manual/rigging/armatures/bones/selecting.html says:

"You can deselect the active bone and select its immediate parent or one of its children using respectively Select ‣ Select Parent ([) or Select ‣ Select Child (]).
If you prefer to keep the active bone in the selection, use Select ‣ Extend Select Parent (Ctrl-[) or Select ‣ Extend Select Child (Ctrl-])."

This doesn't work on my spanish keyboard. You get [ pressing AltGR + `, and ] pressing AltGR + +.

I discovered that pressing ? or ¿ (next to the 0 key on the spanish keyboard) blenders interprets it as [ or ]. That is even weirder :-O

Curiously the Text editor allows me to use the AltGR combination to write the desired - [ ] characters.

Either on an English Keyboard or Spanish one, [ and ] keys are physically next to the p key.

This makes extremely difficult to follow the documentation, or even use any videtutorial from blender.

I'm almost certain there will be other key combinations that will present a problem.

Cheers,
David

**System Information** Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Versión 10.0.10240 compilación 10240 GeForce GTX 970 Nvidia geforce Driver 365.10 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz, 4001 Mhz, 4 procesadores principales, 8 procesadores lógicos RAM 32,0 GB **Blender Version** Broken: 2.77a official. Hi, Reading and practicing with the Blender manual, on https://www.blender.org/manual/rigging/armatures/bones/selecting.html says: "You can deselect the active bone and select its immediate parent or one of its children using respectively Select ‣ Select Parent ([) or Select ‣ Select Child (]). If you prefer to keep the active bone in the selection, use Select ‣ Extend Select Parent (Ctrl-[) or Select ‣ Extend Select Child (Ctrl-])." This doesn't work on my spanish keyboard. You get [ pressing AltGR + `, and ] pressing AltGR + +. I discovered that pressing ? or ¿ (next to the 0 key on the spanish keyboard) blenders interprets it as [ or ]. That is even weirder :-O Curiously the Text editor allows me to use the AltGR combination to write the desired - [ ] characters. Either on an English Keyboard or Spanish one, [ and ] keys are physically next to the p key. This makes extremely difficult to follow the documentation, or even use any videtutorial from blender. I'm almost certain there will be other key combinations that will present a problem. Cheers, David

David Ballesteros commented

2016-05-19 21:46:24 +02:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

David Ballesteros commented

2016-05-19 21:46:24 +02:00

Added subscriber: @dballesg

Daniel Rivera commented

2016-05-20 05:03:51 +02:00

Added subscriber: @dr2d4

Daniel Rivera commented

2016-05-20 05:03:52 +02:00

@dballesg creo que eso ya fue corregido en ( https://developer.blender.org/rBce65fae8f32c058ef50eb1a9a0a82472c4a68040 ) podrías probar con la buildbot y ver si en esa versión funciona correctamente ademas si es una computadora portátil podría ser falta de activar el "emulator numpad"

link de la buildbot:

https://builder.blender.org/download/

espero te sirva

@dballesg creo que eso ya fue corregido en ( https://developer.blender.org/rBce65fae8f32c058ef50eb1a9a0a82472c4a68040 ) podrías probar con la buildbot y ver si en esa versión funciona correctamente ademas si es una computadora portátil podría ser falta de activar el "emulator numpad" link de la buildbot: https://builder.blender.org/download/ espero te sirva

Bastien Montagne commented

2016-05-20 09:16:04 +02:00

Added subscriber: @mont29

Bastien Montagne commented

2016-05-20 09:16:04 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Bastien Montagne closed this issue

2016-05-20 09:16:04 +02:00

Bastien Montagne self-assigned this 2016-05-20 09:16:04 +02:00

Bastien Montagne commented

2016-05-20 09:16:04 +02:00

Thanks for the report, but no bug here. We simply cannot cope with all possible layouts, Blender default shortcuts are based on english standard keyboard, other countries may have to customize their shortcuts.

We do have a few special workarounds, like for numbers on main keyboard (US layout has them directly, many others like french etc. have them accessible with shift), but this is not possible for everything.

Thanks for the report, but no bug here. We simply cannot cope with all possible layouts, Blender default shortcuts are based on english standard keyboard, other countries may have to customize their shortcuts. We do have a few special workarounds, like for numbers on main keyboard (US layout has them directly, many others like french etc. have them accessible with shift), but this is not possible for everything.

David Ballesteros commented

2016-05-20 09:31:57 +02:00

Thanks Daniel and Bastien.

So for what I understand the [ key on the English Keyboard even beign physically on the same position will not produce the same key code.

I notice that trying to configure the Input on the User Preferences as Bastien suggested, if I locate all the commands using [ as a key-Binding, press the AltGr + [ key. The AltGr part really is interpreted as Shift.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

Maybe that one will be worthy to add, allowing more even shortcuts in Blender?

Cheers,
David

Thanks Daniel and Bastien. So for what I understand the [ key on the English Keyboard even beign physically on the same position will not produce the same key code. I notice that trying to configure the Input on the User Preferences as Bastien suggested, if I locate all the commands using [ as a key-Binding, press the AltGr + [ key. The AltGr part really is interpreted as Shift. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key Maybe that one will be worthy to add, allowing more even shortcuts in Blender? Cheers, David

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Wrong keypress for [ and ] on Spanish Keyboard #48471