Blender 2.80 won't open. #51721

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Ferencz Istvan · 2017-06-05T21:33:48+02:00

Ferencz Istvan commented

2017-06-05 21:33:48 +02:00

System Information
Windows 7, Nvidia GeForce 8400 GS, 4 GB RAM.

Blender Version
Broken: -
Worked: -

Blender 2.80 won't open.

When I open "blender.exe" console flashes on launching, then closes.

**System Information** Windows 7, Nvidia GeForce 8400 GS, 4 GB RAM. **Blender Version** Broken: - Worked: - **Blender 2.80 won't open.** **When I open "blender.exe" console flashes on launching, then closes.**

Ferencz Istvan commented

2017-06-05 21:33:48 +02:00

Changed status to: 'Open'

Ferencz Istvan commented

2017-06-05 21:33:48 +02:00

Added subscriber: @20Hertz

blender-admin commented

2017-06-05 21:33:48 +02:00

#51933 was marked as duplicate of this issue

blender-admin commented

2017-06-05 21:33:48 +02:00

#51848 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-05 21:46:17 +02:00

Added subscribers: @MikeErwin, @LazyDodo

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-05 21:46:17 +02:00

Your gpu is too old, and doesn't support the minimum opengl version required for blender 2.8,

That being said @MikeErwin the popup informing users about this no longer seems to show? (Tested my self, just shows a bunch of errors in the console, then crashes)

k:\BlenderGit\b28_2017\bin\Release>blender.exe
AL lib: (EE) ALCmmdevPlayback_open: Device init failed: 0x80070490
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message>
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message>
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message>
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message>
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message>
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message>
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat.
Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message>
Error: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION

Your gpu is too old, and doesn't support the minimum opengl version required for blender 2.8, That being said @MikeErwin the popup informing users about this no longer seems to show? (Tested my self, just shows a bunch of errors in the console, then crashes) ``` k:\BlenderGit\b28_2017\bin\Release>blender.exe AL lib: (EE) ALCmmdevPlayback_open: Device init failed: 0x80070490 Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message> Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message> Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message> Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message> Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message> Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message> Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Warning! Using result of ChoosePixelFormat. Win32 Error# (3221684230): <no system message> Error: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION ```

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-05 22:40:44 +02:00

@MikeErwin , looked a little further into this, it's an icky problem, and we need to find a different way to scan for the opengl context we want to work with.

We call GHOST_ContextWGL::initializeDrawingContext() with a bunch of opengl verisons, to see if we can find one that sticks,
however every time we call initializeDrawingContext we call SetPixelFormat, which has a fun quirk : for any given HDC, you may only call SetPixelFormat ONCE any future calls for the same HDC will fail.

so yeah for this to work, we probably need to create some dummy windows to determine the version, and once we know what we have pass our actual window handle to initializeDrawingContext

@MikeErwin , looked a little further into this, it's an icky problem, and we need to find a different way to scan for the opengl context we want to work with. We call GHOST_ContextWGL::initializeDrawingContext() with a bunch of opengl verisons, to see if we can find one that sticks, however every time we call initializeDrawingContext we call SetPixelFormat, which has a fun quirk : for any given HDC, you may only call SetPixelFormat *ONCE* any future calls for the same HDC will fail. so yeah for this to work, we probably need to create some dummy windows to determine the version, and once we know what we have pass our actual window handle to initializeDrawingContext

Mike Erwin commented

2017-06-05 23:19:26 +02:00

The Geforce 8000 series are the oldest GPUs from NVIDIA that support OpenGL 3.3. I recently got an 8600 for compatibility testing. Windows 10 did not recognize it but I can try Windows 7 (otherwise the card might just be bad).

Thanks for the new information @LazyDodo, I did not know that about SetPixelFormat. We could scan for the best GL version at startup, remember it for future context/window creation. Or simply take SetPixelFormat out of the GL version loop.

The Geforce 8000 series are the oldest GPUs from NVIDIA that support OpenGL 3.3. I recently got an 8600 for compatibility testing. Windows 10 did not recognize it but I can try Windows 7 (otherwise the card might just be bad). Thanks for the new information @LazyDodo, I did not know that about SetPixelFormat. We could scan for the best GL version at startup, remember it for future context/window creation. Or simply take SetPixelFormat out of the GL version loop.

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-05 23:26:21 +02:00

Might be less icky than expected, this patch solves the issue, but needs some massive cleanup, (i pretty much copied clone_window from a different file... needs to be solved better)

Seems like a bunch of functionality from GHOST_ContextWGL.cpp is slowly migrating to GHOST_WindowWin32.cpp , we probably need to pick a place where this needs to happen and stick with it.

ogltest.diff

Might be less icky than expected, this patch solves the issue, but needs some massive cleanup, (i pretty much copied clone_window from a different file... needs to be solved better) Seems like a bunch of functionality from GHOST_ContextWGL.cpp is slowly migrating to GHOST_WindowWin32.cpp , we probably need to pick a place where this needs to happen and stick with it. [ogltest.diff](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F621496/ogltest.diff)

Mike Erwin was assigned by Sergey Sharybin

2017-06-09 10:58:27 +02:00

Sergey Sharybin commented

2017-06-09 10:58:27 +02:00

Added subscribers: @Sergey, @dfelinto

Ferencz Istvan commented

2017-06-15 06:34:29 +02:00

It's possible to install/move eevee rendering engine from 2.8 Blender to another Blender version? ex: Blender 2.78c

Aaron Carlisle commented

2017-06-15 07:44:47 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Blendify

Aaron Carlisle commented

2017-06-15 07:44:47 +02:00

No, the new feature in eevee are what require the update to OpenGL 3.3

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-19 21:47:37 +02:00

Added subscribers: @AlexDoso, @Vladimir-21

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-19 21:50:01 +02:00

@MikeErwin poke, can we give this somewhat of a priority? currently blender 2.8 will only start on windows with cards with ogl 4.5 , seems a little steep.....

Mike Erwin commented

2017-06-20 06:24:09 +02:00

In #51721#441365, @LazyDodo wrote:
@MikeErwin poke, can we give this somewhat of a priority? currently blender 2.8 will only start on windows with cards with ogl 4.5 , seems a little steep.....

Yes, will work on this ASAP. I have some GL 3.3 cards for testing.

> In #51721#441365, @LazyDodo wrote: > @MikeErwin poke, can we give this somewhat of a priority? currently blender 2.8 will only start on windows with cards with ogl 4.5 , seems a little steep..... Yes, will work on this ASAP. I have some GL 3.3 cards for testing.

Characterhero commented

2017-06-24 18:53:06 +02:00

Added subscriber: @TheCharacterhero-4

Characterhero commented

2017-06-24 18:53:06 +02:00

Windows 7, 5Gb Ram, Nvidia GT 9800GT 512 Mb

Blender 2.8 not working (blender-2.80.0-git.bff98ce-windows32)

Is it time to change the video card ???

Win32 Error# (3221692565): <no system message>
Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message>
Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message>
Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message>
Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message>
Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message>

Windows 7, 5Gb Ram, Nvidia GT 9800GT 512 Mb Blender 2.8 not working (blender-2.80.0-git.bff98ce-windows32) Is it time to change the video card ??? ``` Win32 Error# (3221692565): <no system message> Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message> Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message> Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message> Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message> Win32 Error# (3221684237): <no system message> ```

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-24 19:00:48 +02:00

That's an opengl 2.1 card , so yes,

That's an [opengl 2.1 card ](https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-9800gt/specifications), so yes,

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2017-06-24 19:44:16 +02:00

Added subscriber: @brecht

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2017-06-24 19:44:16 +02:00

@LazyDodo, those specifications are the OpenGL version supported at release. But later driver updates can change that, and checking a database like http://opengl.gpuinfo.org/ shows that this card does support OpenGL 3.3.

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-24 19:52:22 +02:00

Yeah this bug has dragged on long enough, I'll see if i can get my patch in an acceptable state this weekend, so we no longer have to guess why a card is failing

Characterhero commented

2017-06-24 23:35:20 +02:00

In #51721#442170, @brecht wrote:
@LazyDodo, those specifications are the OpenGL version supported at release. But later driver updates can change that, and checking a database like http://opengl.gpuinfo.org/ shows that this card does support OpenGL 3.3.

OpenGL 3.3 is supported, but the release date of the video card is 2008 year (I learned using the program TechPowerUp GPU-Z). Driver version 342. 01

> In #51721#442170, @brecht wrote: > @LazyDodo, those specifications are the OpenGL version supported at release. But later driver updates can change that, and checking a database like http://opengl.gpuinfo.org/ shows that this card does support OpenGL 3.3. OpenGL 3.3 is supported, but the release date of the video card is 2008 year (I learned using the program TechPowerUp GPU-Z). Driver version 342. 01

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-29 18:04:52 +02:00

Added subscriber: @LittleNekoTerra

michael kibodeaux commented

2017-06-29 18:12:07 +02:00

so in other words im never gonna see the future of blender? sounds about right...

Ray molenkamp commented

2017-06-29 18:25:40 +02:00

Currently blender refuses to open unless you have opengl 4.5, when this is fixed, the minimum will be back to 3.3, if you card supports that, it'll work, if not it'll inform you about the problem instead of blowing up in your face. if you want to know right now if your card will be supported, check with GPU-Z like @TheCharacterhero-4 did and make sure it has atleast opengl 3.3

blender-admin commented

2017-06-30 13:33:54 +02:00

This issue was referenced by b43cdc91ce

This issue was referenced by b43cdc91ce4188e2fc18ff6646781ff03fbfd693

Dalai Felinto commented

2017-06-30 15:53:41 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'

Dalai Felinto closed this issue

2017-06-30 15:53:41 +02:00

Stefano Orpelli commented

2018-03-27 11:42:54 +02:00

Added subscriber: @stefanoaq

Stefano Orpelli commented

2018-03-27 11:42:54 +02:00

How many people are still stuck with this problem? I also have a Nvidia card that supports OpenGL 3.3 and I can't start Blender 2.80.
I download the nightly builds everyday to try, but it's always crashing after run.
This bug is marked like resolved, but it's not. And 2.80 is going to be a beta release soon!

How many people are still stuck with this problem? I also have a Nvidia card that supports OpenGL 3.3 and I can't start Blender 2.80. I download the nightly builds everyday to try, but it's always crashing after run. This bug is marked like resolved, but it's not. And 2.80 is going to be a beta release soon!

Ray molenkamp commented

2018-03-27 14:40:59 +02:00

The bug that caused opengl to be forced to 4.5 is without a doubt fixed and resolved (Ie i can run 2.8 on windows with mesa that only does ogl 3.3) however there may be other bugs, we are aware of many issues in 2.8 and actively working to fix them. But since replying to reports takes time, we have decided to limit bug reports to module team members.

The bug that caused opengl to be forced to 4.5 is without a doubt fixed and resolved (Ie i can run 2.8 on windows with mesa that only does ogl 3.3) however there may be other bugs, we are aware of many issues in 2.8 and actively working to fix them. But since replying to reports takes time, we have decided to limit bug reports to [module team ](https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Process/Module_Owners/List) members.

Stefano Orpelli commented

2018-03-27 17:51:44 +02:00

In #51721#490572, @LazyDodo wrote:
The bug that caused opengl to be forced to 4.5 is without a doubt fixed and resolved (Ie i can run 2.8 on windows with mesa that only does ogl 3.3) however there may be other bugs, we are aware of many issues in 2.8 and actively working to fix them. But since replying to reports takes time, we have decided to limit bug reports to module team members.

I don't agree. The bug's description says: "Blender 2.80 won't open. When I open "blender.exe" console flashes on launching, then closes.".
This is exactly what's happening to me. I'm simply reporting this bug to the developer community. It's not fixed and resolved.

> In #51721#490572, @LazyDodo wrote: > The bug that caused opengl to be forced to 4.5 is without a doubt fixed and resolved (Ie i can run 2.8 on windows with mesa that only does ogl 3.3) however there may be other bugs, we are aware of many issues in 2.8 and actively working to fix them. But since replying to reports takes time, we have decided to limit bug reports to [module team ](https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Process/Module_Owners/List) members. I don't agree. The bug's description says: "Blender 2.80 won't open. When I open "blender.exe" console flashes on launching, then closes.". This is exactly what's happening to me. I'm simply reporting this bug to the developer community. It's not fixed and resolved.

Ray molenkamp commented

2018-03-27 19:10:37 +02:00

agree to disagree then i suppose? I'm not doubting that you are having issues with starting blender 2.8, however the bug that was the root cause for this (9 month old!!) ticket has been fixed, there's many others bugs currently in 2.8 and we're working hard to fix those. Just to clarify

We are aware 2.8 has many bugs , and it's under heavy development, so new bugs come and go on a daily basis
Responding to X tickets a day telling us something is broken while we already know it's broken, takes time, time better spend on actual development.
That's why the tracker policy currently is not to allow any 2.8 tickets (and that includes re-opening old 2.8 tickets) from non team members.

naturally this policy will change once 2.8 gets in a more stable form, but for now these are the rules.

agree to disagree then i suppose? I'm not doubting that you are having issues with starting blender 2.8, however the bug that was the root cause for this (9 month old!!) ticket has been fixed, there's many others bugs currently in 2.8 and we're working hard to fix those. Just to clarify 1. We are aware 2.8 has many bugs , and it's under heavy development, so new bugs come and go on a daily basis 2. Responding to X tickets a day telling us something is broken while we already know it's broken, takes time, time better spend on actual development. 3. That's why the tracker policy currently is not to allow any 2.8 tickets (and that includes re-opening old 2.8 tickets) from non team members. naturally this policy will change once 2.8 gets in a more stable form, but for now these are the rules.

Characterhero commented

2018-03-31 22:03:00 +02:00

I was able to run Blender 2.80 on Linux Mint 18.3. Blender displays only panels without text: https://imgur.com/a/t1TZk
blender_error

I was able to run Blender 2.80 on Linux Mint 18.3. Blender displays only panels without text: [[ https://imgur.com/a/t1TZk ]] [blender_error](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F2560065/blender_error)

Ray molenkamp commented

2018-03-31 22:36:40 +02:00

I'm running out of ways to communicate that we're currently not taking any 2.8 bugs at this moment in time.

Ferencz Istvan commented

2018-09-04 16:19:21 +02:00

I've got a GeForce 210 months ago and I tried 2.80 (latest build) today and it's working fine. Opengl version: 3.3.0 (Checked with Everest software).

Jan Fojtik commented

2019-08-03 23:50:03 +02:00

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2019-08-03 23:50:03 +02:00

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Blender 2.80 won't open. #51721