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UI Paper Cuts (Parent Task) #56950

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opened 2018-09-28 16:28:00 +02:00 by William Reynish · 52 comments

William Reynish commented

2018-09-28 16:28:00 +02:00

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This is a curated list of items picked from this Devtalk thread. It will be updated with new items over time.

Order of importance:

{icon circle color=red} Very Important - These we should handle before the initial release of Blender 2.80
{icon circle color=yellow} Somewhat Important - These issues would be nice to do as soon as possible
{icon circle color=green} Less Important - Extra polish, nice to have
? Incomplete - Tasks needing more details before implementing.

General

- ? {icon circle color=yellow} #61492 (Layer Switching Shortcut Inconsistency)
- {icon circle color=yellow} #57712 (Move the transform info away from the header, into the viewport.)
- {icon circle color=green} #57690 (No way to distinguish enum buttons that support shift-click to select multiple)
- {icon circle color=green} #61558 (Label alignment in top bar)
- ? #62309 (Make enum menus nicer)
- {icon circle color=green} #68875 (Undo/Redo for text buttons)

Text Editor

- {icon circle color=yellow} #57711 (Add horizontal scroll bar to Text Editor)

Nodes

- {icon circle color=yellow} #63078 (Filter Nodes depending on context)

Properties

- {icon circle color=green} #57687 (Properties Node View Hierarchy )
- {icon circle color=green} #57710 (Clicking on Driven decorator should open the Edit Driver popup)

Other Editors

- {icon circle color=green} #57895 (Add Keying Set and New Keyframes options to the Timeline Sidebar )

Tools

- {icon circle color=green} #57726 (The Tool Settings UI should update when holding modifier keys)
- ? {icon circle color=green} #57727 (Make the “redo” panel also appear in the tool settings tab)
- {icon circle color=green} #57731 (Make the “redo” panel use the horizontal strip-design)

The actual tasks are listed as subtasks under this parent task, with more information.

Developers

For new developers who might be interested in tackling any of these, refer to this document about contributing a patch:

https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Process/Contributing_Code

This design task is targeted at contributing and new developers looking for smaller but worthwhile UI tasks. These are meant to be 'paper cuts' - very small UI annoyances that, in aggregate, make things unpleasant or annoying. All of these tasks should be smaller in scope, so that new or occasional developers can handle them. This is a curated list of items picked from [this ](https://devtalk.blender.org/t/blender-ui-paper-cuts/2596) Devtalk thread. It will be updated with new items over time. Order of importance: {icon circle color=red} **Very Important** - *These we should handle before the initial release of Blender 2.80* {icon circle color=yellow} **Somewhat Important** - *These issues would be nice to do as soon as possible* {icon circle color=green} **Less Important** - *Extra polish, nice to have* `?` **Incomplete** - *Tasks needing more details before implementing.* ## General - - [ ] `?` {icon circle color=yellow} #61492 (Layer Switching Shortcut Inconsistency) - - [ ] {icon circle color=yellow} #57712 (Move the transform info away from the header, into the viewport.) - - [ ] {icon circle color=green} #57690 (No way to distinguish enum buttons that support shift-click to select multiple) - - [ ] {icon circle color=green} #61558 (Label alignment in top bar) - - [ ] `?` #62309 (Make enum menus nicer) - - [x] {icon circle color=green} #68875 (Undo/Redo for text buttons) ## Text Editor - - [ ] {icon circle color=yellow} #57711 (Add horizontal scroll bar to Text Editor) ## Nodes - - [ ] {icon circle color=yellow} #63078 (Filter Nodes depending on context) ## Properties - - [ ] {icon circle color=green} #57687 (Properties Node View Hierarchy ) - - [ ] {icon circle color=green} #57710 (Clicking on Driven decorator should open the Edit Driver popup) ## Other Editors - - [ ] {icon circle color=green} #57895 (Add Keying Set and New Keyframes options to the Timeline Sidebar ) ## Tools - - [ ] {icon circle color=green} #57726 (The Tool Settings UI should update when holding modifier keys) - - [ ] `?` {icon circle color=green} #57727 (Make the “redo” panel also appear in the tool settings tab) - - [ ] {icon circle color=green} #57731 (Make the “redo” panel use the horizontal strip-design) The actual tasks are listed as subtasks under this parent task, with more information. ## Developers For new developers who might be interested in tackling any of these, refer to this document about contributing a patch: https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Process/Contributing_Code

William Reynish commented

2018-09-28 16:28:00 +02:00

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2018-09-29 00:21:37 +02:00

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2018-09-29 00:21:37 +02:00

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Not sure if it fits here, but may I suggest to disable "Load UI" by default when using File -> Open...?
I can confirm that this is a major source of frustration when new users are trying the software and opening blend files from previous versions.

Not sure if it fits here, but may I suggest to disable "Load UI" by default when using File -> Open...? I can confirm that this is a major source of frustration when new users are trying the software and opening blend files from previous versions.

Ramiro Ivan Cantu commented

2018-10-11 02:16:58 +02:00

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Ramiro Ivan Cantu commented

2018-10-11 02:18:59 +02:00

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Hi, this this would be my first contribution and I am interested in taking on the addition of the save dialog for new files. So I will get to work on that.

Campbell Barton commented

2018-10-31 11:17:43 +01:00

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William Reynish changed title from ~~UI Paper Cuts~~ to UI Paper Cuts (Parent Task)

2018-11-07 23:56:10 +01:00

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2018-11-09 07:01:27 +01:00

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2018-11-09 09:45:34 +01:00

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2018-11-09 09:45:34 +01:00

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can this be considered?
https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/74bbbc/increase-vse-transform-strip-rotation-limits

May be related or not, but also VSE cut operator, when cutting strips with applied fx is not behaving very well.

Allow copy & paste of strip, that has fx applied on top of it without copying both

can this be considered? https://blender.community/c/rightclickselect/74bbbc/increase-vse-transform-strip-rotation-limits May be related or not, but also VSE cut operator, when cutting strips with applied fx is not behaving very well. Allow copy & paste of strip, that has fx applied on top of it without copying both

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2018-11-16 20:41:47 +01:00

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2018-11-16 20:41:47 +01:00

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Hi, i think it would make sense to add a seperate "Export selection" option in the File menu. I've often found myself accidentially exporting the entire scene because the current checkbox for that is not very obvious.

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2018-11-16 20:55:03 +01:00

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@Thane5: We could also simply set Only Selected to be on by default. It's what you'd expect anyway. I recently added that to our defaults task, here: #54943

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2018-12-06 12:16:13 +01:00

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I really don't like that you have to Check THREE checkboxes for EEVEE to finally activate refraction for materials.
One in the material tab, and two in the render tab.
It took a bit too long to figure out.

I believe it should be just ONE, and the others should be ticked by default.

I really don't like that you have to Check THREE checkboxes for EEVEE to finally activate refraction for materials. One in the material tab, and two in the render tab. It took a bit too long to figure out. I believe it should be just ONE, and the others should be ticked by default.

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2018-12-07 01:10:09 +01:00

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2018-12-07 01:10:09 +01:00

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Hi there, I've noticed in Sculpt Mode that there is a warning dialog that displays when enabling Dynotopo:

Whilst the information is useful, having it display each time and having to click the 'ok' button I feel is frustrating and detrimental to the UX. There have been multiple instances where I have immediately dragged my cursor away from the box and looked elsewhere, not noticing (and forgetting!) that the box would display, and as a result started sculpting without Dynotopo, and wondering why my mesh resolution isn't increasing!

I've come up with a couple of ideas on how this could be improved (there're most likely additional pros/cons to each that I haven't considered):

Have a 'Do not show again' button within the popup.
Have an option or checkbox, either within the warning dialog itself, or perhaps within the User Preferences (could even be applied universally for other warning popups?) for users to choose to 'Display warning messages once per session' (for example).

Give some immediately accessible indication within the viewport (perhaps on the top left of the viewport?) that the user is/isn't in Dynotopo sculpt mode. This could also help solve the issues of switching to/from other modes and having Dynotopo automatically disable without the user realising.

Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, or if it's a task too great to be considered a paper cut- please point me in the right direction! Thanks :)

Hi there, I've noticed in Sculpt Mode that there is a warning dialog that displays when enabling Dynotopo: ![2018-12-06_23h47_35.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5862116/2018-12-06_23h47_35.png) Whilst the information is useful, having it display each time and having to click the 'ok' button I feel is frustrating and detrimental to the UX. There have been multiple instances where I have immediately dragged my cursor away from the box and looked elsewhere, not noticing (and forgetting!) that the box would display, and as a result started sculpting without Dynotopo, and wondering why my mesh resolution isn't increasing! I've come up with a couple of ideas on how this could be improved (there're most likely additional pros/cons to each that I haven't considered): - Have a '**Do not show again**' button within the popup. - Have an option or checkbox, either within the warning dialog itself, or perhaps within the User Preferences (could even be applied universally for other warning popups?) for users to choose to '**Display warning messages once per session**' (for example). # Give some immediately accessible indication within the viewport (perhaps on the top left of the viewport?) that the user is/isn't in Dynotopo sculpt mode. This could also help solve the issues of switching to/from other modes and having Dynotopo automatically disable without the user realising. Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, or if it's a task too great to be considered a paper cut- please point me in the right direction! Thanks :)

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2019-01-07 14:44:54 +01:00

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2019-01-07 14:44:54 +01:00

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@WilliamReynish rather than create a design task, needed your opinion on having an enable option on popover menus.

As a user if you click the menu and the option is disabled, the user can click an enable checkbox?

What's your view on this?

Also, there is an inconsistency with some popovers. The Overlay popover shows greyed out when not enabled but the snappin popover doesn't.

@WilliamReynish rather than create a design task, needed your opinion on having an enable option on popover menus. As a user if you click the menu and the option is disabled, the user can click an enable checkbox? ![image.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6209971/image.png) What's your view on this? Also, there is an inconsistency with some popovers. The Overlay popover shows greyed out when not enabled but the snappin popover doesn't.

William Reynish commented

2019-01-07 15:39:39 +01:00

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@CharlieJolly: I don't fully understand the first question. The Use Guides option seems redundant in your image, isn't that what the Grid icon button does?

The reason the snapping isn't grayed out is that it's still applicable, because you can enable snapping by holding Ctrl without enabling the snapping toggle.

@CharlieJolly: I don't fully understand the first question. The Use Guides option seems redundant in your image, isn't that what the Grid icon button does? The reason the snapping isn't grayed out is that it's still applicable, because you can enable snapping by holding Ctrl without enabling the snapping toggle.

Charlie Jolly commented

2019-01-07 15:42:43 +01:00

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@WilliamReynish basically, if the user clicks on the menu instead of the grid icon, should we show an enable option in the popover if the option has not already been enabled? Does that make more sense? Or should the enable option not be shown?

William Reynish commented

2019-01-07 15:59:58 +01:00

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In #56950#595393, @CharlieJolly wrote:
@WilliamReynish basically, if the user clicks on the menu instead of the grid icon, should we show an enable option in the popover if the option has not already been enabled?

No, I don't think that's a good idea. Then there are two redundant ways to enable the option, which can add unnecessary confusion. We also don't do this in Overlays, for example.

> In #56950#595393, @CharlieJolly wrote: > @WilliamReynish basically, if the user clicks on the menu instead of the grid icon, should we show an enable option in the popover if the option has not already been enabled? No, I don't think that's a good idea. Then there are two redundant ways to enable the option, which can add unnecessary confusion. We also don't do this in Overlays, for example.

Charlie Jolly commented

2019-01-07 16:02:33 +01:00

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OK, I'll remove that option for consistency. Thanks.