Wireframe mode bugs #57636

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Alma Talp · 2018-11-05T15:30:34+01:00

Alma Talp commented

2018-11-05 15:30:34 +01:00

System Information
Win 7 64 Pro, GTX 1070, Blender 2.8

Blender Version
2.8 alpha 2 Hash: c4c62e6df5
Worked: (optional)

Short description of error

Playing with 'Z' key, switching between viewport modes after a while hitting the 'wireframe' pie forgets to do anything.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Based on a (as simple as possible) attached .blend file with minimum amount of steps

**System Information** Win 7 64 Pro, GTX 1070, Blender 2.8 **Blender Version** 2.8 alpha 2 Hash: c4c62e6df55 Worked: (optional) **Short description of error** Playing with 'Z' key, switching between viewport modes after a while hitting the 'wireframe' pie forgets to do anything. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Based on a (as simple as possible) attached .blend file with minimum amount of steps

Alma Talp commented

2018-11-05 15:30:35 +01:00

Added subscriber: @AlmaTalp

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2018-11-05 17:12:00 +01:00

Added subscriber: @brecht

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2018-11-05 17:12:00 +01:00

I don't have this problem, can you give more specific steps to redo the problem? Or attach a .blend where it is stuck in a particular mode?

Alma Talp commented

2018-11-05 17:24:49 +01:00

I try to record it and upload as a GIF, I just played with the default cube, nothing has been changed, not scene-specific issue IMHO.

Alma Talp commented

2018-11-08 11:38:08 +01:00

OK, I tested, it is partially a bug, also UX.

The problem was caused by the fact that after I switched to Xray mode and then I switched back to Wireframe mode it did not reset the X-ray mode (which is logical in some way, but in some other way it is not), also I think that the display of which modes area active is not so 'smooth'.

What I see it as a solution:

Correcting the display mode with showing valid data (what is ON and what is not)
If there is a way for Reset/Override funcionality - like splitting a 'WireFrame' menu to half witk 'just Wire/Wire + Others' option (but I don't like this)
Assisted Hotkey while choosing a mode (with additional key it resets other stuff).

+1: I also would consider to forget using Pie menu for this. Personally I find using Pie menus as a 'trend', while it is not necessary at all and slows down visual operations.

Depending on the amount of choices I used to find Special menu-like ('W') solutions far more effective; something similar is what one of the 3rd party developers uses

This is an animated GIF!

OK, I tested, it is partially a bug, also UX. The problem was caused by the fact that after I switched to Xray mode and then I switched back to Wireframe mode it did not reset the X-ray mode (which is logical in some way, but in some other way it is not), also I think that the display of which modes area active is not so 'smooth'. What I see it as a solution: 1. Correcting the display mode with showing valid data (what is ON and what is not) 2. If there is a way for Reset/Override funcionality - like splitting a 'WireFrame' menu to half witk 'just Wire/Wire + Others' option (but I don't like this) 3. Assisted Hotkey while choosing a mode (with additional key it resets other stuff). +1: I also would consider to forget using Pie menu for this. Personally I find using Pie menus as a 'trend', while it is not necessary at all and slows down visual operations. Depending on the amount of choices I used to find Special menu-like ('W') solutions far more effective; something similar is what one of the 3rd party developers uses ![Pie error2.8.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5439974/Pie_error2.8.png) This is an animated GIF! ![View selection.gif](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5440092/View_selection.gif)

Philipp Oeser commented

2018-11-15 20:58:09 +01:00

Added subscriber: @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2018-11-15 20:58:09 +01:00

Also cannot get it to a state where pie is showing XRay OFF (even though it is ON).
(so for me 1. doesnt even have to be corrected, it is correct)

Is this still an issue with latest buildbot builds?

Also cannot get it to a state where pie is showing XRay OFF (even though it is ON). (so for me 1. doesnt even have to be corrected, it is correct) Is this still an issue with latest buildbot builds?

Bastien Montagne commented

2018-11-22 12:29:03 +01:00

Added subscriber: @mont29

Bastien Montagne commented

2018-11-22 12:29:03 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Archived'

Bastien Montagne closed this issue

2018-11-22 12:29:03 +01:00

Bastien Montagne self-assigned this 2018-11-22 12:29:03 +01:00

Bastien Montagne commented

2018-11-22 12:29:03 +01:00

More than a week without reply or activity. Due to the policy of the tracker archiving for until required info/data are provided.

Alma Talp commented

2018-11-22 13:00:21 +01:00

Hello Bastien, do you need info/data from the devs on this? Thx.

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2018-11-22 13:41:49 +01:00

In the screenshot X-Ray is not on, the edges on the backside of the cubes are obscured which means it is indeed off. There's just no bug here as far as I can tell, only suggestion for a different UI, which we don't track in bug reports.

Alma Talp commented

2018-11-22 14:04:38 +01:00

Thanks, Brecht.

Now I understand, nut I think it is a very inefficient solution. While working when I hit 'Wireframe', I want to see a see-through wireframe, not hitting another button for 'X-Ray'. As it is a vital function, I suggest to make an additional pie where it happens together (also with hotkey) from UX aspect. I cannot find simple wireframe without xray useful at all for daily workflow; even in cases when it could be handy it is more rare than the case we need see-through wireframes (based on more than 20 years in archviz/game asset and as someone who works hard on putting Blender into focus with leaving AD products.
Thanks.

Thanks, Brecht. Now I understand, nut I think it is a very inefficient solution. While working when I hit 'Wireframe', I want to see a see-through wireframe, not hitting another button for 'X-Ray'. As it is a vital function, I suggest to make an additional pie where it happens together (also with hotkey) from UX aspect. I cannot find simple wireframe without xray useful at all for daily workflow; even in cases when it could be handy it is more rare than the case we need see-through wireframes (based on more than 20 years in archviz/game asset and as someone who works hard on putting Blender into focus with leaving AD products. Thanks.

Brecht Van Lommel commented

2018-11-22 14:10:39 +01:00

X-Ray is on in wireframe mode by default, and off in solid mode. The settings are decoupled, so if you never toggle X-Ray in wireframe mode it should do what you want?

Alma Talp commented

2018-11-22 14:32:35 +01:00

I will check if I use the latest 2.8, but I answer it differently.

I would like a single hotkey/pie to work in the same way as in 2.79 when switching to wireframe mode as the 'basic' behaviour what results full see-through wireframe for the entire scene.

Now the X-Ray settings affect hidden line visibility AFAIK in wireframe mode, with making an 'illusion' the x-ray is off.
I could make a screenshot if you need (but from a new 2.8 if it was a bug).

I will check if I use the latest 2.8, but I answer it differently. I would like a single hotkey/pie to work in the same way as in 2.79 when switching to wireframe mode as the 'basic' behaviour what results full see-through wireframe for the entire scene. Now the X-Ray settings affect hidden line visibility AFAIK in wireframe mode, with making an 'illusion' the x-ray is off. I could make a screenshot if you need (but from a new 2.8 if it was a bug).

Alma Talp commented

2018-11-22 15:26:08 +01:00

Ok, so it works as it should, but it heavily affects the classic wireframe function (still can't see if will it cause a conflict or not).

Left image: Wire on, X-Ray on with value= 1 (which makes no sense to use X-Ray)
Right image: the same with X-Ray = 0

So both logic works, but See-Through Wireframe mode (as it called under other apps, shortened to 'Wireframe' should be the default with an X-Ray = 0 in my opinion.

Ok, so it works as it should, but it heavily affects the classic wireframe function (still can't see if will it cause a conflict or not). Left image: Wire on, X-Ray on with value= 1 (which makes no sense to use X-Ray) Right image: the same with X-Ray = 0 So both logic works, but See-Through Wireframe mode (as it called under other apps, shortened to 'Wireframe' should be the default with an X-Ray = 0 in my opinion. ![x-ray problem.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5681665/x-ray_problem.png)

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Wireframe mode bugs #57636