Selection Issues on High Res Monitor #58958

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Chris Malcheski · 2018-12-07T18:46:42+01:00

Chris Malcheski commented

2018-12-07 18:46:42 +01:00

{F5874146}System Information
Operating system: Windows Pro 64
Graphics card: nVidia RTX 2080

Blender Version
Broken: 2.80 beta hash 74db65e542
Worked: 2.79b

Short description of error

This is a very general problem in several areas of the display. I'm using a 32" monitor at 3840 x 2160. Selection of objects is extremely problematic. About 95% of the time I have to click the mouse over and over to select the exact object I want. The picking algorithm doesn't pick right. I've fallen into a pattern of clicking until the desired object is selected, then shift-block to deselect what I don't want. The lines are much too thin, even on the user preferences "thick" setting. Very difficult to see. Objects in object mode look sketchy like they were drawn in with a pencil, and when a line appears directly over a grid line, it's practically invisible. Edit mode is slightly better but the vertex squares are also light and sketchy. I have my settings set to 125% display size. The problem was even worse at 100%. The worst problem is missing objects when the left button is clicked. (All of this relates to wireframe.)

There is also another issue but this could be related to my particular mouse: 99% of the time, when I press down on the wheel, the display immediately jumps from ortho to perspective mode. It is infuriating. I am CONSTANTLY hitting num pad 5 to reset ortho mode over and over and over.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

{[F5874146](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5874146/Video_1_Bridge.blend)}**System Information** Operating system: Windows Pro 64 Graphics card: nVidia RTX 2080 **Blender Version** Broken: 2.80 beta hash 74db65e5424 Worked: 2.79b **Short description of error** This is a very general problem in several areas of the display. I'm using a 32" monitor at 3840 x 2160. Selection of objects is extremely problematic. About 95% of the time I have to click the mouse over and over to select the exact object I want. The picking algorithm doesn't pick right. I've fallen into a pattern of clicking until the desired object is selected, then shift-block to deselect what I don't want. The lines are much too thin, even on the user preferences "thick" setting. Very difficult to see. Objects in object mode look sketchy like they were drawn in with a pencil, and when a line appears directly over a grid line, it's practically invisible. Edit mode is slightly better but the vertex squares are also light and sketchy. I have my settings set to 125% display size. The problem was even worse at 100%. The worst problem is missing objects when the left button is clicked. (All of this relates to wireframe.) There is also another issue but this could be related to my particular mouse: 99% of the time, when I press down on the wheel, the display immediately jumps from ortho to perspective mode. It is infuriating. I am CONSTANTLY hitting num pad 5 to reset ortho mode over and over and over. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error**

Chris Malcheski commented

2018-12-07 18:46:42 +01:00

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Brecht Van Lommel commented

2018-12-07 19:08:43 +01:00

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Brecht Van Lommel commented

2018-12-07 19:08:43 +01:00

Please provide a .blend file to reproduce the problem, and maybe a screenshot showing exactly where you click right after opening the file. We need exact steps to reproduce to ensure we are talking about the same thing.

Chris Malcheski commented

2018-12-07 20:35:14 +01:00

The problem is omnipresent and requires no research to reproduce. I could dump a whole bunch of time into uploading a .BLEND file that is too large to upload, and mess around with screen shots, but it won't help. The problem occurs on all files, all the time. Click anyplace that is "busy" - not someplace with a single vertex off by itself. This is why I didn't get more specific: the problem is so obvious and so widespread, just get on a 3840 x 2160 monitor, set your user preferences to display scale 1.25, load any Blender file in the universe, and start clicking where a lot of vertices are relatively close together.

The problem is omnipresent and requires no research to reproduce. I could dump a whole bunch of time into uploading a .BLEND file that is too large to upload, and mess around with screen shots, but it won't help. The problem occurs on all files, all the time. Click anyplace that is "busy" - not someplace with a single vertex off by itself. This is why I didn't get more specific: the problem is so obvious and so widespread, just get on a 3840 x 2160 monitor, set your user preferences to display scale 1.25, load any Blender file in the universe, and start clicking where a lot of vertices are relatively close together. ![no_selected.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5874089/no_selected.png)

Chris Malcheski commented

2018-12-07 21:08:15 +01:00

I am adding something I absolutely should not be adding to a bug report: this entire version 2.8 is AWESOME, it is unbelievable, and the EEVEE engine is a miracle. Why would anybody use anything else????? Okay ... my .blend file was added to the original bug report. I drag/dropped in the wrong place, sorry. Use wireframe mode. There is a lot hidden so use alt+H to unhide it but you shouldn't have to.

msalv commented

2018-12-07 21:57:05 +01:00

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msalv commented

2018-12-07 21:57:05 +01:00

I have a 4k monitor as well and don't have that problem. But it does behave differently to 2.7, which I understand it can be seen as a bug but it's probably a design decision. In wireframe mode, you can basically end up selecting an object by the faces even though the faces are not visible, which doesn't happen in 2.7 where it always selects the closest wire to the mouse. I don't quite understand the heuristic but it hasn't been that much of a problem for me, and to be fair, 2.8's wireframe has options to perceive the faces like the Xray slider in the shading popover.

And Im sure it has nothing to do with line thickness or resolution, have you tried changing the resolution of your OS to 720p and see what happens? If you want the lines to look less fuzzy, try putting the Xray slider to 0 in the shading popover, and the Wireframe slider to 1 in the overlays

I have a 4k monitor as well and don't have that problem. But it does behave differently to 2.7, which I understand it can be seen as a bug but it's probably a design decision. In wireframe mode, you can basically end up selecting an object by the faces even though the faces are not visible, which doesn't happen in 2.7 where it always selects the closest wire to the mouse. I don't quite understand the heuristic but it hasn't been that much of a problem for me, and to be fair, 2.8's wireframe has options to perceive the faces like the Xray slider in the shading popover. And Im sure it has nothing to do with line thickness or resolution, have you tried changing the resolution of your OS to 720p and see what happens? If you want the lines to look less fuzzy, try putting the Xray slider to 0 in the shading popover, and the Wireframe slider to 1 in the overlays

Chris Malcheski commented

2018-12-07 22:14:03 +01:00

I'll try those changes. But that wasn't the primary issue - the primary issue was object / vertex / line selection.

I'll try those changes. But that wasn't the primary issue - the primary issue was object / vertex / line selection.![sketch.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F5875104/sketch.png)

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-02-01 14:44:25 +01:00

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