Impossible to use any other mouse button than MMB to navigate in Knife tool mode #62154

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Ludvik Koutny · 2019-03-03T14:32:51+01:00

Ludvik Koutny commented

2019-03-03 14:32:51 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows 10
Graphics card: GTX1080Ti

Blender Version
Broken: 2.8 latest master
Worked: Probably never

Short description of error
The way Knife tool mode is executed makes it impossible to navigate 3D viewport in the Knife tool mode as long as navigation buttons are mapped to any other key than middle mouse button (MMB). This does not interfere with default Blender kemap, where Orbit (Rotate), Pan and Zoom viewport navigation actions are mapped to MMB, but doesn't allow viewport navigation in the other custom keymaps, including the proposed industry compatible one: https://developer.blender.org/T54963

There is no combination of settings in Knife Tool Modal Map section which would allow to solve this issue and make non-MMB based viewport navigation function in Knife tool mode.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
1, In factory default setup Blender, got to edit mode of the default cube, activate Knife tool using K key, and notice MMB to orbit, Shift+MMB to pan and Ctrl+MMB works.
2, Go to User Preferences, Keymap section, and in 3D View>3D View (Global)
3, Change Rotate View from Middle mouse to Alt+Left Mouse and change the action type from "Press" to "Click-Drag" (To distinguish from Alt+LMB click, which selects edge loops)
4, Change Zoom view from Ctrl+Middle Mouse to Alt+Right Mouse
5, In 3D viewport, notice that Alt+LMB and Alt+RMB work correctly to activate Viewport Rotate and Viewport Zoom respectively
6, Enter Knife tool mode, and notice that Alt+LMB and Alt+RMB do not work to Rotate or Zoom the viewport.
7, In Keymap editor, under 3D View>Knife Tool Modal Map, notice there is no possible setup to make these new navigation hotkeys work.

Result: There is no way to configure Knife Tool Modal Map so that viewport navigation in Knife Tool Mode works with any other mouse buttons than MMB.

Expected: It is possible to configure Knife Tool Modal Map so that it works with non-MMB based viewport havigation configuration.

**System Information** Operating system: Windows 10 Graphics card: GTX1080Ti **Blender Version** Broken: 2.8 latest master Worked: Probably never **Short description of error** The way Knife tool mode is executed makes it impossible to navigate 3D viewport in the Knife tool mode as long as navigation buttons are mapped to any other key than middle mouse button (MMB). This does not interfere with default Blender kemap, where Orbit (Rotate), Pan and Zoom viewport navigation actions are mapped to MMB, but doesn't allow viewport navigation in the other custom keymaps, including the proposed industry compatible one: https://developer.blender.org/T54963 There is no combination of settings in Knife Tool Modal Map section which would allow to solve this issue and make non-MMB based viewport navigation function in Knife tool mode. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** 1, In factory default setup Blender, got to edit mode of the default cube, activate Knife tool using K key, and notice MMB to orbit, Shift+MMB to pan and Ctrl+MMB works. 2, Go to User Preferences, Keymap section, and in 3D View>3D View (Global) 3, Change Rotate View from Middle mouse to Alt+Left Mouse and change the action type from "Press" to "Click-Drag" (To distinguish from Alt+LMB click, which selects edge loops) 4, Change Zoom view from Ctrl+Middle Mouse to Alt+Right Mouse 5, In 3D viewport, notice that Alt+LMB and Alt+RMB work correctly to activate Viewport Rotate and Viewport Zoom respectively 6, Enter Knife tool mode, and notice that Alt+LMB and Alt+RMB do not work to Rotate or Zoom the viewport. 7, In Keymap editor, under 3D View>Knife Tool Modal Map, notice there is no possible setup to make these new navigation hotkeys work. Result: There is no way to configure Knife Tool Modal Map so that viewport navigation in Knife Tool Mode works with any other mouse buttons than MMB. Expected: It is possible to configure Knife Tool Modal Map so that it works with non-MMB based viewport havigation configuration.

Ludvik Koutny commented

2019-03-03 14:32:51 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Rawalanche

blender-admin commented

2019-03-03 14:32:51 +01:00

#61922 was marked as duplicate of this issue

blender-admin commented

2019-03-03 14:32:51 +01:00

#71323 was marked as duplicate of this issue

Mathieu Richecoeur commented

2019-03-03 14:35:58 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Kartridge

Cezary Szadejko commented

2019-03-03 14:41:02 +01:00

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Oskar commented

2019-03-03 15:08:04 +01:00

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Brecht Van Lommel commented

2019-03-05 11:50:12 +01:00

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Brecht Van Lommel commented

2019-03-05 11:50:12 +01:00

This has been a known limitation for a long time. Navigation while using modal tools in general is not supported besides some hardcoded exceptions.

Petter Lundh commented

2019-03-05 12:39:13 +01:00

Added subscriber: @PetterLundh

Oskar commented

2019-04-16 15:26:39 +02:00

I found a workaround that makes the navigation with Alt + LMB/MMB/RMB possible while using the Knife Tool.
In Keymap -> 3D View -> Knife Tool Modal Map you need to have Panningset for Alt+LMB, Alt+MMB, Alt+RMB.
And the Panning Alt+LMB must be set before Add Cut with Left Mouse.(the order is important)

Here is how it looks in my settings:

I found a workaround that makes the navigation with Alt + LMB/MMB/RMB possible while using the Knife Tool. In **Keymap -> 3D View -> Knife Tool Modal Map** you need to have **Panning**set for **Alt+LMB, Alt+MMB, Alt+RMB**. And the Panning **Alt+LMB** must be set before **Add Cut** with Left Mouse.(the order is important) Here is how it looks in my settings: ![knife_tool_workaround.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6951550/knife_tool_workaround.png)

Ludvik Koutny commented

2019-04-16 15:40:25 +02:00

In #62154#661793, @Oskar3d wrote:
I found a workaround that makes the navigation with Alt + LMB/MMB/RMB possible while using the Knife Tool.
In Keymap -> 3D View -> Knife Tool Modal Map you need to have Panningset for Alt+LMB, Alt+MMB, Alt+RMB.
And the Panning Alt+LMB must be set before Add Cut with Left Mouse.(the order is important)

Here is how it looks in my settings:

Are you 100% sure this works even if the view3d.rotate action is set to "Click-Drag", not "Press"?

EDIT: Yes, exactly as I anticipated. You were not paying attention and did not read the problem is related to view3d rotate being set to "Click-Drag", not press.

So your "workaround" does not solve anything in this case.

> In #62154#661793, @Oskar3d wrote: > I found a workaround that makes the navigation with Alt + LMB/MMB/RMB possible while using the Knife Tool. > In **Keymap -> 3D View -> Knife Tool Modal Map** you need to have **Panning**set for **Alt+LMB, Alt+MMB, Alt+RMB**. > And the Panning **Alt+LMB** must be set before **Add Cut** with Left Mouse.(the order is important) > > Here is how it looks in my settings: > ![knife_tool_workaround.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6951550/knife_tool_workaround.png) Are you 100% sure this works even if the view3d.rotate action is set to "Click-Drag", not "Press"? EDIT: Yes, exactly as I anticipated. You were not paying attention and did not read the problem is related to view3d rotate being set to "Click-Drag", not press. ![image.png](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6951663/image.png) So your "workaround" does not solve anything in this case.

Oskar commented

2019-04-16 19:21:28 +02:00

So your "workaround" does not solve anything in this case.

You're right. It doesn't work when it's set to Click-Drag.
But it's fine for the Industry Compatible Keymap, where select edge loops is done with double left click.
In the current state of the Industry Compatible Keymap you can't navigate at all when the Knife tool is enabled.

Navigation while using tools is so essential hope it becomes a priority soon. (not been able to navigate while using circle select makes no sense)

> So your "workaround" does not solve anything in this case. You're right. It doesn't work when it's set to Click-Drag. But it's fine for the Industry Compatible Keymap, where select edge loops is done with double left click. In the current state of the Industry Compatible Keymap you can't navigate at all when the Knife tool is enabled. Navigation while using tools is so essential hope it becomes a priority soon. (not been able to navigate while using circle select makes no sense)

Germano Cavalcante commented

2019-12-20 15:12:30 +01:00

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Richard Antalik commented

2020-01-24 19:48:12 +01:00

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2021-06-30 15:26:46 +02:00

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CybranM commented

2021-06-30 15:26:46 +02:00

Really annoying when youre using Modo navigation (Alt-LMB rotate, Shift-Alt-LMB pan, Ctrl-Alt-LMB zoom) as I hate clicking MMB. Would be great if the knifetool was decoupled from the MMB navigation

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Impossible to use any other mouse button than MMB to navigate in Knife tool mode #62154