bake hair dynamics issues #62893

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dev369 · 2019-03-24T12:34:24+01:00

dev369 commented

2019-03-24 12:34:24 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: wind 10
Graphics card: gtx 1070

Blender Version
Broken: blender-2.80-79f67acccb36-win64
Worked: idk

unable to bake hair dynamics. i click the button but nothing happens. in particle edit mode particle hair still looks as if it was not simulated.

**System Information** Operating system: wind 10 Graphics card: gtx 1070 **Blender Version** Broken: blender-2.80-79f67acccb36-win64 Worked: idk unable to bake hair dynamics. i click the button but nothing happens. in particle edit mode particle hair still looks as if it was not simulated.

dev369 commented

2019-03-24 12:34:24 +01:00

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Jacques Lucke commented

2019-03-25 13:41:31 +01:00

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Jacques Lucke commented

2019-03-25 13:41:31 +01:00

I can't reproduce the issue in my simple test.
Please provide an as-simple-as-possible .blend file that shows the issue.

I can't reproduce the issue in my simple test. Please provide an as-simple-as-possible .blend file that shows the issue.

dev369 commented

2019-03-25 15:18:07 +01:00

here i made a simple uv sphere, i made hair particle, i click bake, i try switch to perticle edit and it crashes blender. you can open this blend and try switch to particle edit, it will crash it

crash.blend

here i made a simple uv sphere, i made hair particle, i click bake, i try switch to perticle edit and it crashes blender. you can open this blend and try switch to particle edit, it will crash it [crash.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6881205/crash.blend)

dev369 commented

2019-03-25 15:37:15 +01:00

this is the same thing, except, before bake i enabled disk cache. now it does not crash with switching to particle edit, but particles are not visible in particle edit.

no particles in particle edit.blend

this is the same thing, except, before bake i enabled disk cache. now it does not crash with switching to particle edit, but particles are not visible in particle edit. [no particles in particle edit.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6881267/no_particles_in_particle_edit.blend)

dev369 changed title from ~~bake hair dynamics doesnt do anything~~ to bake hair dynamics issues

2019-03-25 15:38:18 +01:00

dev369 commented

2019-06-27 23:53:31 +02:00

should this not be at least high priority and be fixed for release of 2.8? hair dynamics is pretty important feature id say, currently i still cant get it to work its been a while. i mean, without hair dynamics we are severely limited to what we do by hand and rigging..

Philipp Oeser commented

2019-09-04 20:17:22 +02:00

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Philipp Oeser commented

2019-09-04 20:17:22 +02:00

On entering particle editmode in crash.blend I am getting :
BLI_assert failed: /blender/source/blender/draw/intern/draw_cache_impl_particles.c:1519, particle_batch_cache_ensure_edit_pos_and_seg(), at '!"Hairs are not in edit mode!"'
This I have definitely seen in other reports, will dig these up...

Looks like a duplicate of #59583, no?

I am not too familiar with the hair system, but may I ask what particle editing after caching dynamics is actually there for?
(is this used for cache editing like for cloth -- to fix penetrations?)
I can see 2.79b and 2.79 branch being able to do this, but even there it seems pretty much broken, at least for me the hair cache paths look nothing like the actual hair (when in particle edit mode...)
@rjg (the reporter of #59583) also mentioned in his report:

I'm not sure when or why you'd actually want to do that, but it shouldn't cause a crash...

The issue with not seeing the particles in particle editmode (no particles in particle edit.blend) might stem from the issue that these caches sometimes cannot be generated correctly (see reports like #62563 (Hair Dynamics: cannot generate a valid particle cache))

On entering particle editmode in crash.blend I am getting : ``BLI_assert failed: /blender/source/blender/draw/intern/draw_cache_impl_particles.c:1519, particle_batch_cache_ensure_edit_pos_and_seg(), at '!"Hairs are not in edit mode!"'`` This I have definitely seen in other reports, will dig these up... Looks like a duplicate of #59583, no? I am not too familiar with the hair system, but may I ask what particle editing **after** caching dynamics is actually there for? (is this used for cache editing like for cloth -- to fix penetrations?) I can see 2.79b and 2.79 branch being able to do this, but even there it seems pretty much broken, at least for me the hair cache paths look nothing like the actual hair (when in particle edit mode...) @rjg (the reporter of #59583) also mentioned in his report: > I'm not sure when or why you'd actually want to do that, but it shouldn't cause a crash... The issue with not seeing the particles in particle editmode (`no particles in particle edit.blend`) might stem from the issue that these caches sometimes cannot be generated correctly (see reports like #62563 (Hair Dynamics: cannot generate a valid particle cache))

Garry R. Osgood commented

2019-09-06 15:58:10 +02:00

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Garry R. Osgood commented

2019-09-06 15:58:10 +02:00

@lichtwerk

... might stem from the issue that these caches sometimes cannot be generated correctly (see reports like #62563: Hair Dynamics: cannot generate a valid particle cache)

This might narrow your search scope. #62563 is grounded in a memory management tactic adopted for the rendering depsgraph, which, since November 2018, is deleted after use on every frame. The need to do that arises from the large memory consumption of the rendering depsgraph contending for the equally large memory requirements of the renderer, observed in some of the fairly immense scenes found in the Spring production. Unfortunately, hair dynamics code examines particle system state across multiple frames, and gets confused when the cleaning up of the rendering depsgraph also cleans up the cow'ed object and related particle system buffers. There are some text files which I wrote attached to that bug report which goes into gory details.
That issue doesn't figure in this bug, I don't think, because the depsgraph for the viewport has an indefinite lifetime; the disappearance of a depsgraph does not drive this bug in the manner that it does for #62563.
Per the User Guide particle editing by and large depends on a pre-existing in-memory baked cache: baking to disk does not support particle editing. The cache also needs to be frame-to-frame coherent. An in-memory cache with dropped or trashed frames can give rise to all kinds of interesting behavior but the issue would be difficult to notice until the particle system loads the queer data and tries to manipulate it. I suspect (but have not proved) the case of corruption after cache generation from time to time, making bugs of this type transient in nature. That's as far as I come with this. Thank you for your work in - at least - bringing some order to the bug reports surrounding the dark secrets of the particle and hair system.

@lichtwerk >... might stem from the issue that these caches sometimes cannot be generated correctly (see reports like #62563: Hair Dynamics: cannot generate a valid particle cache) This might narrow your search scope. #62563 is grounded in a memory management tactic adopted for the rendering depsgraph, which, since November 2018, is deleted after use on every frame. The need to do that arises from the large memory consumption of the rendering depsgraph contending for the equally large memory requirements of the renderer, observed in some of the fairly immense scenes found in the Spring production. Unfortunately, hair dynamics code examines particle system state across multiple frames, and gets confused when the cleaning up of the rendering depsgraph also cleans up the cow'ed object and related particle system buffers. There are some text files which I wrote attached to that bug report which goes into gory details. That issue doesn't figure in this bug, I don't think, because the depsgraph for the viewport has an indefinite lifetime; the disappearance of a depsgraph does not drive this bug in the manner that it does for #62563. Per the [User Guide](https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/physics/particles/mode.html) particle editing by and large depends on a pre-existing in-memory baked cache: baking to disk does not support particle editing. The cache also needs to be frame-to-frame coherent. An in-memory cache with dropped or trashed frames can give rise to all kinds of interesting behavior but the issue would be difficult to notice until the particle system loads the queer data and tries to manipulate it. I suspect (but have not proved) the case of corruption after cache generation from time to time, making bugs of this type transient in nature. That's as far as I come with this. Thank you for your work in - at least - bringing some order to the bug reports surrounding the dark secrets of the particle and hair system.

yourhero commented

2020-12-02 21:55:48 +01:00

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yourhero commented

2020-12-02 21:55:48 +01:00

is this ever get fixed?

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bake hair dynamics issues #62893