Linking 2 armatures that depends on each other leads to jiggle artefacts #63574

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lucas veber · 2019-04-13T15:49:39+02:00

lucas veber commented

2019-04-13 15:49:39 +02:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.17134 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1080/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 419.67

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 55), branch: master, commit date: 2019-04-12 07:09, hash: 0ee23d0f5f
Worked: 2.79b

Short description of error
Linking two armatures that depends on each other through constraints, plays fine in the original file, but make jiggles when it's linked into a file as a proxy.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

Download the attached blend file
2armatures_01.blend
It contains two armatures "rig1" and "rig2". "rig2" depends on "rig1" since its two bones copy the local position of the analogous two bones from "rig1" (it may seem a little farfetched in this case, but this technique is often used in rigs with more complex structures, for example when using a control armature and a deforming armature for example).
Start up a new scene, Ctrl-Alt-O to select and link the collection contained in the blend file, and make a proxy of it, "rig1" only
Move down slowly the bone "BoneStretchTarget" located at the top of the big bone. It will jiggle randomly.

This evaluation issue does not happen when the two other bones are not parented to the stretch bone. The StretchTo constraint seems to be part of the issue then...

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.17134 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1080/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 419.67 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 55), branch: master, commit date: 2019-04-12 07:09, hash: `0ee23d0f5f` Worked: 2.79b **Short description of error** Linking two armatures that depends on each other through constraints, plays fine in the original file, but make jiggles when it's linked into a file as a proxy. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** - Download the attached blend file - [2armatures_01.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6940200/2armatures_01.blend) - It contains two armatures "rig1" and "rig2". "rig2" depends on "rig1" since its two bones copy the local position of the analogous two bones from "rig1" (it may seem a little farfetched in this case, but this technique is often used in rigs with more complex structures, for example when using a control armature and a deforming armature for example). - Start up a new scene, Ctrl-Alt-O to select and link the collection contained in the blend file, and make a proxy of it, "rig1" only - Move down slowly the bone "BoneStretchTarget" located at the top of the big bone. It will jiggle randomly. This evaluation issue does not happen when the two other bones are not parented to the stretch bone. The StretchTo constraint seems to be part of the issue then...

lucas veber commented

2019-04-13 15:49:39 +02:00

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Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-04-14 14:43:46 +02:00

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Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-04-14 14:43:46 +02:00

I'm getting this error when I open your file:

ERROR (bke.anim_sys): blender/source/blender/blenkernel/intern/anim_sys.c:3795 BKE_animsys_eval_driver: invalid driver - pose.bones["BoneStretchTarget"].constraints["Copy Rotation"].influence[0]

If I link the collection and make a proxy of rig1, I can see that the bones in rig2 jumps around a bit when I move the bone along the Z axis (but they won't stay in those postions).

If I remove the driver the error talks about this doesn't seem to happen (or at least it because very hard to trigger). Do you observe the same thing?

I'm getting this error when I open your file: ``` ERROR (bke.anim_sys): blender/source/blender/blenkernel/intern/anim_sys.c:3795 BKE_animsys_eval_driver: invalid driver - pose.bones["BoneStretchTarget"].constraints["Copy Rotation"].influence[0] ``` If I link the collection and make a proxy of rig1, I can see that the bones in rig2 jumps around a bit when I move the bone along the Z axis (but they won't stay in those postions). If I remove the driver the error talks about this doesn't seem to happen (or at least it because very hard to trigger). Do you observe the same thing?

lucas veber commented

2019-04-14 15:15:38 +02:00

Yes I can confirm it, the driver is causing it. Deleting the driver fix the issue here.
However, if I create a new valid driver, for example a new bone drives the location of Bone1, the jiggles are back (file attached below)
2armatures_02.blend

Yes I can confirm it, the driver is causing it. Deleting the driver fix the issue here. However, if I create a new valid driver, for example a new bone drives the location of Bone1, the jiggles are back (file attached below) [2armatures_02.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6943960/2armatures_02.blend)

Alexander Gavrilov commented

2019-04-14 15:23:47 +02:00

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Alexander Gavrilov commented

2019-04-14 15:23:47 +02:00

Such stuff sounds like a dependency problem - are there no messages about cycles in the console?

lucas veber commented

2019-04-14 15:29:54 +02:00

No messages.
It works without jiggles in Blender 2.79, theoretically it's not a dependency cycles:
rig1[BoneStretch] parent of > rig1[Bone2.001] drives location > rig1[Bone2] drives location by constraint> rig2[Bone2]

Again there's no jiggle in the main file, only happens in the linked file with proxy.

No messages. It works without jiggles in Blender 2.79, theoretically it's not a dependency cycles: rig1[BoneStretch] parent of > rig1[Bone2.001] drives location > rig1[Bone2] drives location by constraint> rig2[Bone2] Again there's no jiggle in the main file, only happens in the linked file with proxy.

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-04-14 15:35:07 +02:00

@angavrilov nothing is printed about cycles. However, I can't really reproduce with your new file:
recording.mp4

So I'm a bit unsure what is going on.

@angavrilov nothing is printed about cycles. However, I can't really reproduce with your new file: [recording.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6944035/recording.mp4) So I'm a bit unsure what is going on.

lucas veber commented

2019-04-14 15:38:47 +02:00

Try to move it in all directions, it should happen at some point.

lucas veber commented

2019-04-14 18:25:56 +02:00

2019-04-14 18-24-59.flv

[2019-04-14 18-24-59.flv](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6944571/2019-04-14_18-24-59.flv)

Alexander Gavrilov was assigned by Sebastian Parborg

2019-04-15 17:04:51 +02:00

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-04-15 17:04:51 +02:00

@angavrilov It is a bit tricky to reproduce sometimes, but it mesh does jiggle around a bit sometimes. Don't know if this is a linking problem though, so feel free to reassign if you feel that this is not for you.

blender-admin commented

2019-04-15 18:53:52 +02:00

This issue was referenced by 2f2ba04c60

This issue was referenced by 2f2ba04c6053540ea3a4cd6617cd6b4e38d89c93

Alexander Gavrilov commented

2019-04-15 18:58:43 +02:00

So, when it's not a cycle, another likely cause of unstable evaluation is a missing dependency, and that is the case here.

(Cycles in fact cause missing dependencies, because they are resolved by randomly killing one link.)

So, when it's not a cycle, another likely cause of unstable evaluation is a missing dependency, and that is the case here. (Cycles in fact cause missing dependencies, because they are resolved by randomly killing one link.)

Alexander Gavrilov commented

2019-04-15 19:12:43 +02:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'

Alexander Gavrilov closed this issue

2019-04-15 19:12:43 +02:00

lucas veber commented

2019-04-15 19:17:05 +02:00

Thanks for the fix!!

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Linking 2 armatures that depends on each other leads to jiggle artefacts #63574