Outliner: Active selection not in sync when navigating with arrow keys #71812

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David Gonzalez · 2019-11-23T11:21:03+01:00

David Gonzalez commented

2019-11-23 11:21:03 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows 10 1903
Graphics card: RTX 2070

Blender Version
2.81 Final Release Portable Version

Short description of error
I tried to rename the objects in the scene by navigating through the objects in the outliner using the arrow keys but it doesn't work because the active object still remains to be the last object selected with the mouse.

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error

selecting an object with click in outliner
navigating/selecting another object in outliner with arrow Up and Down keys
press F2 to rename the selected object
selected object is still the first one

**System Information** Operating system: Windows 10 1903 Graphics card: RTX 2070 **Blender Version** 2.81 Final Release Portable Version **Short description of error** I tried to rename the objects in the scene by navigating through the objects in the outliner using the arrow keys but it doesn't work because the active object still remains to be the last object selected with the mouse. **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** - selecting an object with click in outliner - navigating/selecting another object in outliner with arrow Up and Down keys - press F2 to rename the selected object - selected object is still the first one

David Gonzalez commented

2019-11-23 11:21:03 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Bango

Anthony Edlin commented

2019-11-23 12:08:04 +01:00

Added subscribers: @dfelinto, @AnthonyEdlin

Dalai Felinto was assigned by Anthony Edlin

2019-11-23 12:08:04 +01:00

Anthony Edlin commented

2019-11-23 12:08:04 +01:00

Thanks for the bug report.

Can confirm behavior as described. There are other cases where extending selection does not change the active object either such as shift and ctl clicking. If you select a material inside an object and then arrow down or up to another object F2 will still try to rename material. Not sure of intended behavior.

According to https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Modules @dfelinto is an outliner developer so assigning.

Hmm I can't change priority. Good luck.

Thanks for the bug report. Can confirm behavior as described. There are other cases where extending selection does not change the active object either such as shift and ctl clicking. If you select a material inside an object and then arrow down or up to another object F2 will still try to rename material. Not sure of intended behavior. According to https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Modules @dfelinto is an outliner developer so assigning. Hmm I can't change priority. Good luck.

Anthony Edlin commented

2019-11-23 12:33:44 +01:00

Added subscriber: @natecraddock

Anthony Edlin commented

2019-11-23 12:33:44 +01:00

More information from @Zachman in this report: #70843

Seems like there were issues changing active object when walking with arrow keys.

More information from @Zachman in this report: #70843 Seems like there were issues changing active object when walking with arrow keys.

David Gonzalez commented

2019-11-25 11:55:00 +01:00

@AnthonyEdlin
Thanks for the reply.

Do I have to report the bug elsewhere or will the corresponding developers be notified already with this report here?

Another thing I would like to know is how and where possible fixes will be implemented? Will they be integrated in the actual "stable" 2.81 version or will they only show up in nightly builds until release of 2.82?

@AnthonyEdlin Thanks for the reply. Do I have to report the bug elsewhere or will the corresponding developers be notified already with this report here? Another thing I would like to know is how and where possible fixes will be implemented? Will they be integrated in the actual "stable" 2.81 version or will they only show up in nightly builds until release of 2.82?

Anthony Edlin commented

2019-11-25 12:18:08 +01:00

@Bango It is assigned so the developers will find this report and respond sometime. Sometimes minor things like this are more complex than they seem.

It depends on the severity of bug and risk if any fixes get into 2.81a or some other version.

@Bango It is assigned so the developers will find this report and respond sometime. Sometimes minor things like this are more complex than they seem. It depends on the severity of bug and risk if any fixes get into 2.81a or some other version.

Nathan Craddock commented

2019-11-25 19:34:12 +01:00

This is not a bug, just how the walk navigation is currently implemented. Due to other factors when activating elements, walk navigation that moves the active element caused issues. Once D5817 is reviewed and committed I intend to make walk navigation move the active element as expected.

This is not a bug, just how the walk navigation is currently implemented. Due to other factors when activating elements, walk navigation that moves the active element caused issues. Once [D5817](https://archive.blender.org/developer/D5817) is reviewed and committed I intend to make walk navigation move the active element as expected.

David Gonzalez commented

2019-11-26 00:24:54 +01:00

@AnthonyEdlin
Ah okay. And where would I find the 2.81a build (if it will be released)?

@Zachman
Well, if it's not a bug then I don't understand the current implementation of the "navigating with arrow keys in the outliner" function and the "rename with F2" function. If I still have to use the mouse to change the active element then I can also double click on the element to rename it.

@AnthonyEdlin Ah okay. And where would I find the 2.81a build (if it will be released)? @Zachman Well, if it's not a bug then I don't understand the current implementation of the "navigating with arrow keys in the outliner" function and the "rename with F2" function. If I still have to use the mouse to change the active element then I can also double click on the element to rename it.

Nathan Craddock commented

2019-11-26 20:51:37 +01:00

@Bango during development of the outliner during the Google Summer of Code, I originally did have arrow key navigation move the active element. But because activation was tied to other events (like toggling edit mode) the behavior felt inconsistent and confusing. Although moving only selection, not active is also not ideal, it was the easiest option to implement during the summer. The code for walk navigation is all there, and once the patch I mentioned is committed, it will be an easy fix to switch arrow key navigation back to the active object.

Anthony Edlin commented

2019-11-26 22:50:18 +01:00

@Zachman I understand that there are issues with changing the active object through walk selection, but it seems that it would be ok to still rename things not from active object but from most recent walk selection if there is one and then active object only if there is no active walk.

I am no expert at outliner code so I didn't test this extensively, but I see there is code for flagging elements with TSE_ACTIVE_WALK and so I made a small patch that uses that as the element to rename first and then active element only if there is nothing flagged with TSE_ACTIVE_WALK. It seemed to work in the limited testing I did. Here is patch: outliner_use_active_walk_for_rename.diff

@Zachman I understand that there are issues with changing the active object through walk selection, but it seems that it would be ok to still rename things not from active object but from most recent walk selection if there is one and then active object only if there is no active walk. I am no expert at outliner code so I didn't test this extensively, but I see there is code for flagging elements with TSE_ACTIVE_WALK and so I made a small patch that uses that as the element to rename first and then active element only if there is nothing flagged with TSE_ACTIVE_WALK. It seemed to work in the limited testing I did. Here is patch: [outliner_use_active_walk_for_rename.diff](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8170034/outliner_use_active_walk_for_rename.diff)

David Gonzalez commented

2019-11-26 23:08:27 +01:00

@Zachman
Okay, I didn't knew or even recognize that the up and down keys would toggle edit mode. I'm using the 2.80 layout and those keys do only change the selected element in the outliner but only if the mouse pointer is in the outliner window, too.
But, like @AnthonyEdlin mentioned, there must be a way to rename the elements without changing the active element.

"The code for walk navigation is all there, and once the patch I mentioned is committed, it will be an easy fix to switch arrow key navigation back to the active object."
Well, that sounds promising ^^

@Zachman Okay, I didn't knew or even recognize that the up and down keys would toggle edit mode. I'm using the 2.80 layout and those keys do only change the selected element in the outliner but only if the mouse pointer is in the outliner window, too. But, like @AnthonyEdlin mentioned, there must be a way to rename the elements without changing the active element. "The code for walk navigation is all there, and once the patch I mentioned is committed, it will be an easy fix to switch arrow key navigation back to the active object." Well, that sounds promising ^^

Germano Cavalcante changed title from ~~Active selection not in sync when navigating with arrow keys in outliner window.~~ to Outliner: Active selection not in sync when navigating with arrow keys

2019-11-28 16:22:04 +01:00

David Gonzalez commented

2019-11-28 17:42:15 +01:00

Added subscriber: @mano-wii

David Gonzalez commented

2019-11-28 17:42:15 +01:00

@mano-wii
The title of this task sounds much better now ^^ Thanks!

@mano-wii The title of this task sounds much better now ^^ Thanks!

Jacques Lucke commented

2020-01-15 14:39:36 +01:00

Added subscriber: @JacquesLucke

Jacques Lucke commented

2020-01-15 14:39:36 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Confirmed'

Jacques Lucke commented

2020-01-15 14:39:36 +01:00

Setting this task as confirmed, but also as known issue. Currently everything is working as intended, so there is no actual bug here. The behavior might be changed at some point, but that is outside of the scope of a bug report.

Btw, it's not super nice, but maybe you can use ctrl + F2 for renaming instead? That dialog can work on the selected objects instead of the active one.

Setting this task as confirmed, but also as known issue. Currently everything is working as intended, so there is no actual bug here. The behavior might be changed at some point, but that is outside of the scope of a bug report. Btw, it's not super nice, but maybe you can use `ctrl + F2` for renaming instead? That dialog can work on the selected objects instead of the active one.

Anthony Edlin commented

2020-05-21 23:54:47 +02:00

I've used my diff a couple times now just to rename a bunch of large object count old blend files. So you can add the diff and compile your own blender if you want to rename with walk, while we wait for proper support for active object selection when walking. Maybe coming in this next gsoc.

blender-admin commented

2020-06-21 00:02:54 +02:00

This issue was referenced by 8ce1a60262

This issue was referenced by 8ce1a602627350bf986da5e3f60d9edd38006d52

Dalai Felinto was unassigned by Nathan Craddock

2020-06-21 00:17:40 +02:00

Nathan Craddock self-assigned this 2020-06-21 00:17:40 +02:00

Nathan Craddock commented

2020-06-21 00:25:30 +02:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

Nathan Craddock closed this issue

2020-06-21 00:25:30 +02:00

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Outliner: Active selection not in sync when navigating with arrow keys #71812