Collection instance doesn't inherit exclude from view layer status #73692

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Joakim Tornhill · 2020-02-09T19:27:21+01:00

Joakim Tornhill commented

2020-02-09 19:27:21 +01:00

Blender Version
Broken: Blender 2.82.6

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Unhide_Instances.blend

Open file
Switch to Modeling workspace

Toggle Exclude Form View Layer checkbox on Parent_stuff collection

Instances are not excluded

**Blender Version** Broken: Blender 2.82.6 **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** [Unhide_Instances.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8332897/Unhide_Instances.blend) - Open file - Switch to Modeling workspace # Toggle Exclude Form View Layer checkbox on Parent_stuff collection Instances are not excluded

Joakim Tornhill commented

2020-02-09 19:27:21 +01:00

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Philipp Oeser commented

2020-02-10 11:22:51 +01:00

Added subscriber: @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-02-10 11:22:51 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs User Info'

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-02-10 11:22:51 +01:00

Could you share an example .blend file?
(This way it is easier to reproduce and makes sure we are all looking at the same thing...)

"Disable from View Layer"

Are you talking about "Exclude from View Layer"?

you would like to use layers

Are you talking about View Layers (or rather Collections)?

but the instance should do as the parent does! So... if I tell the parent to go away from a layer... the instances should follow.

Not in all cases (that is if we are talking about the parent being a collection -- see question above), an instance could be in multiple collections, excluding one parent collection from the viewlayer could still have a child instance included in another collection.

Note: if you {key Shift click} "Disable in Viewports" / "Disable in Renders" on a parent collection, this will propagate to child instances in any other collection as well...

Could you share an example .blend file? (This way it is easier to reproduce and makes sure we are all looking at the same thing...) > "Disable from View Layer" Are you talking about "Exclude from View Layer"? > you would like to use layers Are you talking about View Layers (or rather Collections)? > but the instance should do as the parent does! So... if I tell the parent to go away from a layer... the instances should follow. Not in all cases (that is if we are talking about the parent being a collection -- see question above), an instance could be in multiple collections, excluding one parent collection from the viewlayer could still have a child instance included in another collection. Note: if you {key Shift click} "Disable in Viewports" / "Disable in Renders" on a parent collection, this will propagate to child instances in any other collection as well...

Joakim Tornhill commented

2020-02-10 18:09:07 +01:00

Unhide_Instances.blend

Hi,

Here is a small file with two layers.

I did a collection of a monkey, torus and cylinder. This is called Parent_Stuff
I did instances of that collection. They then got the name Parent_Stuff.001 to Parent_Stuff.006
Now I will have one layer with ONLY the sun (because I'm going to blur and add a lot of effects on it in the compositor). I do not want any other things on this layer. So, I select "Parent_Stuff" -> View_Layer -> Disable from View Layer in the layer called "Only_Sun"
I try to find similar things on the instances, but that option does not exist. Nor does they vanish when I select 3) on the "Parent_Stuff". I can't use "Globally deselect on render" because I want them to be in in the other layer.
In my first Layer "Parent_Stuff_On", I remove the sun... but let it still shine on the things using View_Layer -> Set Indirecr only. This works fine on all instances... and the parent...and the sun is gone as it is supposed to.

So...it is number 4) I can't seem to do with instances of collections.

Br
Joakim

[Unhide_Instances.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8332897/Unhide_Instances.blend) Hi, Here is a small file with two layers. 1) I did a collection of a monkey, torus and cylinder. This is called Parent_Stuff 2) I did instances of that collection. They then got the name Parent_Stuff.001 to Parent_Stuff.006 3) Now I will have one layer with ONLY the sun (because I'm going to blur and add a lot of effects on it in the compositor). I do not want any other things on this layer. So, I select "Parent_Stuff" -> View_Layer -> Disable from View Layer in the layer called "Only_Sun" 4) I try to find similar things on the instances, but that option does not exist. Nor does they vanish when I select 3) on the "Parent_Stuff". I can't use "Globally deselect on render" because I want them to be in in the other layer. 5) In my first Layer "Parent_Stuff_On", I remove the sun... but let it still shine on the things using View_Layer -> Set Indirecr only. This works fine on all instances... and the parent...and the sun is gone as it is supposed to. So...it is number 4) I can't seem to do with instances of collections. Br Joakim

Richard Antalik changed title from ~~Scene instance can't be disabled from View Layer~~ to Collection instance doesn't inherit exclude from view layer status

2020-02-11 22:48:55 +01:00

Richard Antalik commented

2020-02-11 22:55:58 +01:00

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Richard Antalik commented

2020-02-11 22:55:58 +01:00

I am not too much wiser after reading manual, but I would expect this to work in similar way as Enable in Viewports, just for active view layer.

Joakim Tornhill commented

2020-02-11 23:13:16 +01:00

Sorry, but I'm not following your comment, but it could me that get it wrong here.
We have different instances of collections... but they are in the same view layer... both parent collection and the instances of collections.
I'll try to hide ALL in one layer...but that is not possible.
One layer, in my example above, has only the light/sun, Another layer (with all instances) has all the objects.
So, amount of View Layers doesn't matter. I don't have the parent in one layer and try to hide instances in the other.
It does not work to hide collection instances...no matter what you do or in what layer you have them, if you do not exclude them totally from render and that is not the purpose. I need them in the render, but not together with the background :).

Sorry, but I'm not following your comment, but it could me that get it wrong here. We have different instances of collections... but they are in the same view layer... both parent collection and the instances of collections. I'll try to hide ALL in one layer...but that is not possible. One layer, in my example above, has only the light/sun, Another layer (with all instances) has all the objects. So, amount of View Layers doesn't matter. I don't have the parent in one layer and try to hide instances in the other. It does not work to hide collection instances...no matter what you do or in what layer you have them, if you do not exclude them totally from render and that is not the purpose. I need them in the render, but not together with the background :).

Richard Antalik commented

2020-02-11 23:25:56 +01:00

I have edited report title, and I think that it is pretty good summary of what you describe.

In my comment I am just saying, that behavior of that checkbox is not described in enough detail in manual to triage this report.

I have edited report title, and I think that it is pretty good summary of what you describe. In my comment I am just saying, that behavior of that checkbox is not described in enough detail in manual to triage this report.

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-02-12 11:46:06 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs User Info' to: 'Archived'

Philipp Oeser closed this issue

2020-02-12 11:46:06 +01:00

Philipp Oeser self-assigned this 2020-02-12 11:46:06 +01:00

Philipp Oeser commented

2020-02-12 11:46:06 +01:00

The original collection the instances were made from, and the instances themselves are not the same in regards to their membership in viewlayers.

To set this up properly, why dont you use a parent collection for the instances?
This way you can exclude this parent collection from one viewplayer, but not the other:
Unhide_Instances_corrected.blend

Sorry, this might be still a misunderstanding, but this is how you would organize per viewlayer visibility for everything (not just instances): you would organize them in collections.
https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/dev/render/layers/layers.html#usage

I will close this for now, but feel free to comment again if issues persist...

The original collection the instances were made from, and the instances themselves are not the same in regards to their membership in viewlayers. To set this up properly, why dont you use a parent `collection` for the instances? This way you can exclude this parent collection from one viewplayer, but not the other: [Unhide_Instances_corrected.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F8336179/Unhide_Instances_corrected.blend) Sorry, this might be still a misunderstanding, but this is how you would organize per viewlayer visibility for everything (not just instances): you would organize them in `collections`. https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/dev/render/layers/layers.html#usage I will close this for now, but feel free to comment again if issues persist...

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Collection instance doesn't inherit exclude from view layer status #73692

Toggle Exclude Form View Layer checkbox on Parent_stuff collection