Group selected strokes will not 'Bring to Front'/'Send to Back' if one of the selected strokes is already there #87321

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Matthew Gafford · 2021-04-09T01:37:04+02:00

Matthew Gafford commented

2021-04-09 01:37:04 +02:00

Operating system: Win10 Home 64
Graphics card: rtx3070

Blender Version
Broken: 2.93
Worked: N/A

Exact steps to reproduce the error:

Open file frontorback.blend

or

Make a grease pencil object
Create a fill shape
Draw a stroke above the fill, and one stroke behind it

Select both strokes and try to use "Bring to Front" or "Send to Back"

If one of your selected strokes is already in the very back/front, nothing happens. If one of your selected strokes is already in the front when you "Bring to Front" it should ignore that one and still move the other selected strokes to the front. Instead, it just ignores all of them.

[edit] This also happens with "Bring Forward" and "Send Backward."

Operating system: Win10 Home 64 Graphics card: rtx3070 Blender Version Broken: 2.93 Worked: N/A Exact steps to reproduce the error: Open file [frontorback.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F9926330/frontorback.blend) or - Make a grease pencil object - Create a fill shape - Draw a stroke above the fill, and one stroke behind it Select both strokes and try to use "Bring to Front" or "Send to Back" If one of your selected strokes is already in the very back/front, nothing happens. If one of your selected strokes is already in the front when you "Bring to Front" it should ignore that one and still move the other selected strokes to the front. Instead, it just ignores all of them. [edit] This also happens with "Bring Forward" and "Send Backward."

Matthew Gafford commented

2021-04-09 01:37:04 +02:00

Added subscriber: @AFoxInSpace

Antonio Vazquez commented

2021-04-09 11:14:59 +02:00

Added subscriber: @antoniov

Antonio Vazquez commented

2021-04-09 11:14:59 +02:00

This is something we have designed in this way to keep the integrity of the drawing (stroke order) when move multiple strokes. I will talk with the team to check if must change it or not.

Matthew Gafford commented

2021-04-09 21:22:36 +02:00

In #87321#1143617, @antoniov wrote:
This is something we have designed in this way to keep the integrity of the drawing (stroke order) when move multiple strokes. I will talk with the team to check if must change it or not.

Every vector drawing program I have ever used would move all selected pieces forward in this situation, not ignore them and expect the user to unselect every individual stroke that is already in that desired position. As a 2d animator, this is definitely something that is a large inconvenience for me every day, group-selecting materials having to find which strokes I've already sent to the front and manually unselecting them before the Send to Front/Back function will actually work. It's extremely frustrating.

> In #87321#1143617, @antoniov wrote: > This is something we have designed in this way to keep the integrity of the drawing (stroke order) when move multiple strokes. I will talk with the team to check if must change it or not. Every vector drawing program I have ever used would move all selected pieces forward in this situation, not ignore them and expect the user to unselect every individual stroke that is already in that desired position. As a 2d animator, this is definitely something that is a large inconvenience for me every day, group-selecting materials having to find which strokes I've already sent to the front and manually unselecting them before the Send to Front/Back function will actually work. It's extremely frustrating.

Antonio Vazquez self-assigned this 2021-04-09 21:40:05 +02:00

Antonio Vazquez commented

2021-04-09 21:40:05 +02:00

Added subscribers: @mendio, @pepe-school-land

Antonio Vazquez commented

2021-04-09 21:40:05 +02:00

@mendio @pepe-school-land What do you think about stroke order and how works now? the change is not complex, it's just a design decission.

Antonio Vazquez commented

2021-04-12 17:48:19 +02:00

I have been checking in Inkscape and if you select a group with something that is on back, you cannot move to back.

The logic is, If you have select a group of strokes, all are managed as one, so if any of the stroke is on back, you cannot move to back because the stroke is already there. The same in the oposite direction for infront.

@mendio @pepe-school-land I think the arrange is working as expected. If we change the logic, it's very easy to destroy the drawings.

I have been checking in Inkscape and if you select a group with something that is on back, you cannot move to back. The logic is, If you have select a group of strokes, all are managed as one, so if any of the stroke is on back, you cannot move to back because the stroke is already there. The same in the oposite direction for infront. @mendio @pepe-school-land I think the arrange is working as expected. If we change the logic, it's very easy to destroy the drawings.

Antonio Vazquez commented

2021-04-12 17:48:31 +02:00

Added subscriber: @filedescriptor

Germano Cavalcante commented

2021-04-15 20:23:56 +02:00

Added subscriber: @mano-wii

Germano Cavalcante commented

2021-04-15 20:23:56 +02:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Confirmed'

Germano Cavalcante commented

2021-04-15 20:23:56 +02:00

I suppose that this is design has already been confirmed. Right?
So I'm marking it as such then.

I suppose that this is design has already been confirmed. Right? So I'm marking it as such then.

Dantti commented

2021-04-15 21:44:32 +02:00

Added subscriber: @Dantti

Dantti commented

2021-04-15 21:44:32 +02:00

I agree with Matthew here, I also was experiencing this issue just moments ago.
This is how arranging works in Illustrator.
The arranging order stays even if there is one already at said position.
But the arranging still works. It is also faster to work.
Hope the video or anything made any sense. :D
arranging_order_example.mp4

I agree with Matthew here, I also was experiencing this issue just moments ago. This is how arranging works in Illustrator. The arranging order stays even if there is one already at said position. But the arranging still works. It is also faster to work. Hope the video or anything made any sense. :D [arranging_order_example.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F9935129/arranging_order_example.mp4)

Antonio Vazquez commented

2021-04-16 10:09:35 +02:00

I'm going to take a look.

Antonio Vazquez commented

2021-04-16 19:18:13 +02:00

@Dantti Could you check the patch D10997?

@Dantti Could you check the patch [D10997](https://archive.blender.org/developer/D10997)?

Dantti commented

2021-04-16 22:33:33 +02:00

@antoniov

Yes! It works perfectly!
Tested the same behaviour as upper video (OK)
Tested with 6 different fill boxes or strokes (OK)
Works even when 1 point selected in each color.
So good man! Thank you :)

blender_arranging_order_fixed.mp4

@antoniov Yes! It works perfectly! Tested the same behaviour as upper video (OK) Tested with 6 different fill boxes or strokes (OK) Works even when 1 point selected in each color. So good man! Thank you :) [blender_arranging_order_fixed.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F9936577/blender_arranging_order_fixed.mp4)

blender-admin commented

2021-04-17 15:34:01 +02:00

This issue was referenced by d9224f64a1

This issue was referenced by d9224f64a1b9f745531a0de408c3b778abff8881

Antonio Vazquez commented

2021-04-17 15:40:29 +02:00

Changed status from 'Confirmed' to: 'Resolved'

Antonio Vazquez closed this issue

2021-04-17 15:40:29 +02:00

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Group selected strokes will not 'Bring to Front'/'Send to Back' if one of the selected strokes is already there #87321