Vertex crease dropdown option issue blender 3.1 / 3.2 macOS #95509

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Guido · 2022-02-04T23:39:58+01:00

Guido commented

2022-02-04 23:39:58 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: macOS-12.2-x86_64-i386-64bit 64 Bits
Graphics card: AMD Radeon Pro 5700 XT OpenGL Engine ATI Technologies Inc. 4.1 ATI-4.7.103

Blender Version
Broken: version: 3.2.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2022-02-04 00:27, hash: 28656293c6

Broken: version: 3.1.0 Beta, branch: master, commit date: 2022-02-02 15:25, hash: 43b0ff3054

Short description of error
blender crashing when using vertex crease option from the edit mode dropdown menu (NOT the N-Panel)

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Take a cube, subdevide it with a modifier, go to edit mode and select a vertex.
USE the 'Vertex Crease' option from the Vertex dropdown menu in edit mode (not the n-panle) and drag your mouse back and forth.
Crease level will be only updated in the info section top left from viewport, BUT not on the mesh PLUS after a few secons dragging the mouse, blender will crash.
blender.crash.txt

**System Information** Operating system: macOS-12.2-x86_64-i386-64bit 64 Bits Graphics card: AMD Radeon Pro 5700 XT OpenGL Engine ATI Technologies Inc. 4.1 ATI-4.7.103 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 3.2.0 Alpha, branch: master, commit date: 2022-02-04 00:27, hash: `28656293c6` Broken: version: 3.1.0 Beta, branch: master, commit date: 2022-02-02 15:25, hash: `43b0ff3054` **Short description of error** blender crashing when using vertex crease option from the edit mode dropdown menu (NOT the N-Panel) **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Take a cube, subdevide it with a modifier, go to edit mode and select a vertex. USE the 'Vertex Crease' option from the Vertex dropdown menu in edit mode (not the n-panle) and drag your mouse back and forth. Crease level will be only updated in the info section top left from viewport, BUT not on the mesh PLUS after a few secons dragging the mouse, blender will crash. [blender.crash.txt](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12846986/blender.crash.txt) ![new.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12846990/new.jpg)

Guido commented

2022-02-04 23:39:58 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Nurb2Kea

Omar Emara commented

2022-02-07 14:07:25 +01:00

Added subscriber: @OmarEmaraDev

Omar Emara commented

2022-02-07 14:07:25 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs User Info'

Omar Emara commented

2022-02-07 14:07:25 +01:00

I cannot reproduce this with either the latest stable or current development versions of Blender:

Please try the latest daily build: https://builder.blender.org/download/

Go to File → Defaults → Load Factory Settings and then load your file to see if you still can reproduce this issue.

If the problem persists, please give us more clear instructions on how to reproduce it from scratch.

I cannot reproduce this with either the latest stable or current development versions of Blender: Please try the latest daily build: https://builder.blender.org/download/ Go to File → Defaults → Load Factory Settings and then load your file to see if you still can reproduce this issue. If the problem persists, please give us more clear instructions on how to reproduce it from scratch.

Guido commented

2022-02-07 14:43:05 +01:00

Did this already before sending the bugreport :-)
It happens with factory & personal settings with blender 3.1 / 3.2

Plus with the latest blender just compiled. --- MACOS 12.2 --- INTEL ---

blender the ay before build --- MACOS 12.2 --- INTEL ---

recording.mp4

Did this already before sending the bugreport :-) It happens with factory & personal settings with blender 3.1 / 3.2 Plus with the latest blender just compiled. --- MACOS 12.2 --- INTEL --- ![next.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12852586/next.jpg) blender the ay before build --- MACOS 12.2 --- INTEL --- ![Screen Shot 2022-02-07 at 2.29.36 pm.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12852566/Screen_Shot_2022-02-07_at_2.29.36_pm.jpg) ![Screen Shot 2022-02-07 at 2.18.31 pm.jpg](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12852563/Screen_Shot_2022-02-07_at_2.18.31_pm.jpg) [recording.mp4](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12852559/recording.mp4)

Omar Emara commented

2022-02-07 15:16:01 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs User Info' to: 'Needs Triage'

Omar Emara commented

2022-02-07 15:16:02 +01:00

I still can't reproduce unfortunately.

Guido commented

2022-02-07 15:29:51 +01:00

In #95509#1303203, @OmarEmaraDev wrote:
I still can't reproduce unfortunately.

If I may ask: What Operating Systemm you use to check this issue?
I'm using macOS as stated.

> In #95509#1303203, @OmarEmaraDev wrote: > I still can't reproduce unfortunately. If I may ask: What Operating Systemm you use to check this issue? I'm using macOS as stated.

Omar Emara commented

2022-02-07 15:54:46 +01:00

I tested on Linux. But the issues seems to be OS agnostic.

Guido commented

2022-02-07 16:10:09 +01:00

In #95509#1303230, @OmarEmaraDev wrote:
I tested on Linux. But the issues seems to be OS agnostic.

Nope, I don't think so.
Just last week they published for macos without testing it. (Because not every dev. has a mac to check)

So please just leave it to someone who can test it on MACOS.
Otherwise you change the status of this bugreport without the ability to test it under the conditions stated in the bugreport.

Thanks

> In #95509#1303230, @OmarEmaraDev wrote: > I tested on Linux. But the issues seems to be OS agnostic. Nope, I don't think so. Just last week they published for macos without testing it. (Because not every dev. has a mac to check) So please just leave it to someone who can test it on MACOS. Otherwise you change the status of this bugreport without the ability to test it under the conditions stated in the bugreport. Thanks

Omar Emara commented

2022-02-07 16:33:23 +01:00

That's fine. I just changed it to Need Triage so someone else can pick it up.

Richard Antalik commented

2022-02-15 17:58:57 +01:00

Added subscribers: @ankitm, @iss

Richard Antalik commented

2022-02-15 17:58:57 +01:00

@ankitm can you check?

No issues on windows too.

@ankitm can you check? No issues on windows too.

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-02-16 10:15:48 +01:00

Added subscribers: @JulianEisel, @mano-wii, @lichtwerk

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-02-16 10:15:48 +01:00

@mano-wii , @JulianEisel : can you repro?

Ankit Meel commented

2022-02-16 11:27:49 +01:00

In #95509#1308333, @iss wrote:
@ankitm can you check?

No issues on windows too.

mesh shows updates, no crash . macOS 12.2 blender-3.2.0-alpha+master.d3b1cce4000b-darwin.x86_64-release.dmg
lite + asan + opensubdiv is also fine c146d75808

> In #95509#1308333, @iss wrote: > @ankitm can you check? > > No issues on windows too. mesh shows updates, no crash . macOS 12.2 `blender-3.2.0-alpha+master.d3b1cce4000b-darwin.x86_64-release.dmg` lite + asan + opensubdiv is also fine c146d75808f84fddeffb0059b31e572845a3bc49

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-02-16 11:42:54 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs Triage' to: 'Needs User Info'

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-02-16 11:42:54 +01:00

Since we are not able to reproduce yet, have to ask again: Is this still happening in a fresh build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/?
Can we see this in action with Factory Defaults?

Since we are not able to reproduce yet, have to ask again: Is this still happening in a fresh build from https://builder.blender.org/download/daily/? Can we see this in action with Factory Defaults?

Guido commented

2022-02-16 13:40:23 +01:00

In #95509#1303172, @Nurb2Kea wrote:
Did this already before sending the bugreport :-)

The crash text is also provided by me ! (See first post)

Anyways, this tests to set everything back cost me every time 1-2 hours. per blender version.
I'm not a huge addon fan, but all the personal settings are all the same. since blender 2.93 versions
The bugs arrise with new alpha/beta releases.
So I test both, what I did. And if there is something changing I report it.

IF WE COULD SEE What changes made with each release on what OS, we could pinpoint the bugs/bugreports way better.

As far as the mac support goes here, I've decided to wait until...I find a reliable mac dev.
Because we will definitely have lotz more apple mac users in the future as we know and mac needs the same affection as windows.

Thanks for the help so far.

> In #95509#1303172, @Nurb2Kea wrote: > Did this already before sending the bugreport :-) The crash text is also provided by me ! (See first post) Anyways, this tests to set everything back cost me every time 1-2 hours. per blender version. I'm not a huge addon fan, but all the personal settings are all the same. since blender 2.93 versions The bugs arrise with new alpha/beta releases. So I test both, what I did. And if there is something changing I report it. IF WE COULD SEE What changes made with each release on what OS, we could pinpoint the bugs/bugreports way better. As far as the mac support goes here, I've decided to wait until...I find a reliable mac dev. Because we will definitely have lotz more apple mac users in the future as we know and mac needs the same affection as windows. Thanks for the help so far.

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-02-16 13:55:11 +01:00

Anyways, this tests to set everything back cost me every time 1-2 hours. per blender version.
I'm not a huge addon fan, but all the personal settings are all the same. since blender 2.93 versions

You shouldnt have to do this, just use File > Defaults > Load Factory Settings, check the issue/bug, close blender. If you then start blender again, your previous preferences should still be there (is this not the case?).
To be extra safe, you could make sure that Auto Safe Preferences is OFF -- but again: this shouldnt be neccessary
{F12869886 size=full}

So I would still think it would be good to test this in fresh builds with Factory Defaults (because the last weeks commits in this area might actually make a difference here).

> Anyways, this tests to set everything back cost me every time 1-2 hours. per blender version. > I'm not a huge addon fan, but all the personal settings are all the same. since blender 2.93 versions You shouldnt have to do this, just use `File` > `Defaults` > `Load Factory Settings`, check the issue/bug, close blender. If you then start blender again, your previous preferences should still be there (is this not the case?). To be extra safe, you could make sure that Auto Safe Preferences is OFF -- but again: this shouldnt be neccessary {[F12869886](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F12869886/image.png) size=full} So I would still think it would be good to test this in fresh builds with Factory Defaults (because the last weeks commits in this area *might* actually make a difference here).

Guido commented

2022-02-16 14:47:42 +01:00

Thanks for the info..not the first time on blender.
If you can't reproduce it AND say: (because the last weeks commits in this area might actually make a difference here) , makes no sense but me wonderering!

Thank you. I can still adjust it in the N-Panel.

Someone can close the bugreport or delete it if you decide so. Reason: see above post.

Thanks for the info..not the first time on blender. If you can't reproduce it AND say: (because the last weeks commits in this area might actually make a difference here) , makes no sense but me wonderering! Thank you. I can still adjust it in the N-Panel. Someone can close the bugreport or delete it if you decide so. Reason: see above post.

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-02-16 15:19:00 +01:00

In #95509#1308731, @Nurb2Kea wrote:
Thanks for the info..not the first time on blender.
If you can't reproduce it AND say: (because the last weeks commits in this area might actually make a difference here) , makes no sense but me wonderering!

Thank you. I can still adjust it in the N-Panel.

Someone can close the bugreport or delete it if you decide so. Reason: see above post.

?

To get this straight: there is probably an issue (nobody doubts this), and we are trying to get to it by asking you to check something.
I cannot reproduce it, yes (I'm on linux). Could the commits from last week make a difference for macOS: possible
Could Addons (or certain preferences) still have an influence here: possible
So we still have not tested in a fresh build with Factory Defaults, will wait until this is done, thx in advance

> In #95509#1308731, @Nurb2Kea wrote: > Thanks for the info..not the first time on blender. > If you can't reproduce it AND say: (because the last weeks commits in this area might actually make a difference here) , makes no sense but me wonderering! > > Thank you. I can still adjust it in the N-Panel. > > Someone can close the bugreport or delete it if you decide so. Reason: see above post. ? To get this straight: there is probably an issue (nobody doubts this), and we are trying to get to it by asking you to check something. I cannot reproduce it, yes (I'm on linux). Could the commits from last week make a difference for macOS: *possible* Could Addons (or certain preferences) still have an influence here: *possible* So we still have not tested in a fresh build with Factory Defaults, will wait until this is done, thx in advance

Guido commented

2022-02-16 15:52:02 +01:00

Ok, understood!

One question to understand better:

If there are changes in the code that could affect macos ((made on a different OS)), why aren't these chages get tested on macos before release on the website or for compiling.
Isn't there a macos machine available for blender dev's via remote or virtual machines to test those changes quick before release. That would be a matter of 5-10 min. i guess!
Would make sense, to save a huge ammount of time and brain cells, if not.
I had this now the third time that devs. told me they have no access to macos.

Ok, understood! One question to understand better: If there are changes in the code that could affect macos ((made on a different OS)), why aren't these chages get tested on macos before release on the website or for compiling. Isn't there a macos machine available for blender dev's via remote or virtual machines to test those changes quick before release. That would be a matter of 5-10 min. i guess! Would make sense, to save a huge ammount of time and brain cells, if not. I had this now the third time that devs. told me they have no access to macos.

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-02-16 16:02:30 +01:00

There are automated unit tests (run on buildbots on all OSes), but these dont catch every possible error

Raimund Klink commented

2022-02-17 09:54:46 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Raimund58

Raimund Klink commented

2022-02-17 09:54:46 +01:00

In #95509#1308714, @Nurb2Kea wrote:
IF WE COULD SEE What changes made with each release on what OS, we could pinpoint the bugs/bugreports way better.

That is easy, just take a look here: https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/B/history/master/
There are ALL the changes.
Blender is very transparent, you can take a look in almost every corner of the development.

> In #95509#1308714, @Nurb2Kea wrote: > IF WE COULD SEE What changes made with each release on what OS, we could pinpoint the bugs/bugreports way better. That is easy, just take a look here: https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/B/history/master/ There are ALL the changes. Blender is very transparent, you can take a look in almost every corner of the development.

Guido commented

2022-02-17 13:28:38 +01:00

In #95509#1309109, @Raimund58 wrote:

In #95509#1308714, @Nurb2Kea wrote:
IF WE COULD SEE What changes made with each release on what OS, we could pinpoint the bugs/bugreports way better.

That is easy, just take a look here: https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/B/history/master/
There are ALL the changes.
Blender is very transparent, you can take a look in almost every corner of the development.

Thank you, that makes it a lot easier. :-)

> In #95509#1309109, @Raimund58 wrote: >> In #95509#1308714, @Nurb2Kea wrote: >> IF WE COULD SEE What changes made with each release on what OS, we could pinpoint the bugs/bugreports way better. > > That is easy, just take a look here: https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/B/history/master/ > There are ALL the changes. > Blender is very transparent, you can take a look in almost every corner of the development. Thank you, that makes it a lot easier. :-)

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-03-24 14:51:32 +01:00

Changed status from 'Needs User Info' to: 'Archived'

Philipp Oeser closed this issue

2022-03-24 14:51:32 +01:00

Philipp Oeser commented

2022-03-24 14:51:32 +01:00

In #95509#1308742, @lichtwerk wrote:
So we still have not tested in a fresh build with Factory Defaults, will wait until this is done, thx in advance

Sorry, but since this was still not done, afraid we have to close.
Feel free to comment again if this was checked, we could always reopen in such case.

> In #95509#1308742, @lichtwerk wrote: > So we still have not tested in a fresh build with Factory Defaults, will wait until this is done, thx in advance Sorry, but since this was still not done, afraid we have to close. Feel free to comment again if this was checked, we could always reopen in such case.

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Vertex crease dropdown option issue blender 3.1 / 3.2 macOS #95509