Blender crashes when opening file - Older beta opens the file normal #62707

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Marcus Papathoma · 2019-03-18T14:02:59+01:00

Marcus Papathoma commented

2019-03-18 14:02:59 +01:00

System Information
Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.17134 64 Bits
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 418.91

Blender Version
Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 49), branch: blender2.7, commit date: 2019-03-17 23:25, hash: 9099305771
Worked: 3d8cbb534f (sub 42)

Short description of error
Blender crashes when opening file, older beta version (3d8cbb534f sub 42) opens the file normal.
The file was created with the build from today. Sorry, it think it is so big, because orphan data are not deleted anymore?
I imported an fbx. After that I saved the file. When I tried to reopen the file it wasn´t possible anymore.
For the attached file, I did nearly the same, I imported the fbx and deleted the hirarchie exept of a few parts because of secret client data!
Because you can´t get rid of orphan data anymore, only after saving and reopening the file, it stayed the same size as with all the data within.
When I open the file with the Blender 2.8 ((3d8cbb534f sub 42) and save it, it has only 20MB (with the orphan meshes inside).
Why stays the file size with the todys build the same after deleting nearly everything in the file unless saving, reopening the file and purgeing?The is something wrong?!

Exact steps for others to reproduce the error
Try to open the attached file with the lastes build.
Crash
Open the file with Blender 2.8 ((3d8cbb534f sub 42)
File opens normal
Rims_crash.blend

**System Information** Operating system: Windows-10-10.0.17134 64 Bits Graphics card: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 NVIDIA Corporation 4.5.0 NVIDIA 418.91 **Blender Version** Broken: version: 2.80 (sub 49), branch: blender2.7, commit date: 2019-03-17 23:25, hash: `9099305771` Worked: 3d8cbb534f82 (sub 42) **Short description of error** Blender crashes when opening file, older beta version (3d8cbb534f82 sub 42) opens the file normal. The file was created with the build from today. Sorry, it think it is so big, because orphan data are not deleted anymore? I imported an fbx. After that I saved the file. When I tried to reopen the file it wasn´t possible anymore. For the attached file, I did nearly the same, I imported the fbx and deleted the hirarchie exept of a few parts because of secret client data! Because you can´t get rid of orphan data anymore, only after saving and reopening the file, it stayed the same size as with all the data within. When I open the file with the Blender 2.8 ((3d8cbb534f82 sub 42) and save it, it has only 20MB (with the orphan meshes inside). Why stays the file size with the todys build the same after deleting nearly everything in the file unless saving, reopening the file and purgeing?The is something wrong?! **Exact steps for others to reproduce the error** Try to open the attached file with the lastes build. **Crash** Open the file with Blender 2.8 ((3d8cbb534f82 sub 42) File opens normal [Rims_crash.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6843573/Rims_crash.blend)

Marcus Papathoma commented

2019-03-18 14:02:59 +01:00

Added subscriber: @machieb

Campbell Barton commented

2019-03-18 14:57:33 +01:00

Added subscriber: @ideasman42

Campbell Barton commented

2019-03-18 14:57:33 +01:00

Cant redo:

OS: Linux 5.0.2-arch1-1-ARCH
REV: 29039e5c7457c2061787d3f22dce27afcae25c71
GPU: GeForce GTX 1080

The file opens w/ 13 objects visible.

Cant redo: * OS: Linux 5.0.2-arch1-1-ARCH * REV: `29039e5c7457c2061787d3f22dce27afcae25c71` * GPU: `GeForce GTX 1080` ---- The file opens w/ 13 objects visible.

Marcus Papathoma commented

2019-03-18 15:35:27 +01:00

Maybe it is a Windows OS problem. I tried the file on three drifferent computer at work. two with windows 10 and a Geforce GTX 1080 Ti and one computer with Windows 7 and a Geforce 980/Geforce GTX Titan Black. On all three Blender crashes.

@ideasman42 : Can you tell me why 13 Objects with 178440 Tris make a file size of 2.3GB?
When deleting the outliner hirarchie in Blender 2.8 (3d8cbb534f sub 42) - (exact steps see above) and saving the file it is instantly only 15MB not 2.3GB as in todays build.
Try it yourself. Open a large file with lots of objects and geometry.
Delete the hirarchie except of a few objects. Save the file, with the todays build it stays nearly the same size. With older Blender 2.8 like (3d8cbb534f sub 42) the file is much smaller like expected.
In todays build you have to close the file reopen it, purge data, then save. Only then the file size becomes as expected. Is this now the wanted behaviour of Blender?

Maybe it is a Windows OS problem. I tried the file on three drifferent computer at work. two with windows 10 and a Geforce GTX 1080 Ti and one computer with Windows 7 and a Geforce 980/Geforce GTX Titan Black. On all three Blender crashes. @ideasman42 : Can you tell me why 13 Objects with 178440 Tris make a file size of 2.3GB? When deleting the outliner hirarchie in Blender 2.8 (3d8cbb534f82 sub 42) - (exact steps see above) and saving the file it is instantly only 15MB not 2.3GB as in todays build. Try it yourself. Open a large file with lots of objects and geometry. Delete the hirarchie except of a few objects. Save the file, with the todays build it stays nearly the same size. With older Blender 2.8 like (3d8cbb534f82 sub 42) the file is much smaller like expected. In todays build you have to close the file reopen it, purge data, then save. Only then the file size becomes as expected. Is this now the wanted behaviour of Blender?

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-03-18 16:16:32 +01:00

Added subscribers: @LazyDodo, @ZedDB

Sebastian Parborg commented

2019-03-18 16:16:32 +01:00

Can't reproduce either (linux).

I think that the orphan data issue is related to: https://developer.blender.org/T62706

@LazyDodo can you reproduce the crash?

Can't reproduce either (linux). I think that the orphan data issue is related to: https://developer.blender.org/T62706 @LazyDodo can you reproduce the crash?

Ovionis commented

2019-03-18 16:49:28 +01:00

Added subscriber: @Phigon

Ovionis commented

2019-03-18 16:49:28 +01:00

Windows 7, GTX 770, hash: dbfbd6b904
Blender crashes on load, when trying to append one of these four objects, or trying to append the scene (presumedly because the objects are in it)
['Reifen_18ZollShape_0xb8d1c610', 'Reifen_18ZollShape_0xb8d258e0', 'Reifen_18ZollShape_0xb724fae0', 'Reifen_18ZollShape_0xb7247230']

Windows 7, GTX 770, hash: dbfbd6b9043d Blender crashes on load, when trying to append one of these four objects, or trying to append the scene *(presumedly because the objects are in it)* ['Reifen_18ZollShape_0xb8d1c610', 'Reifen_18ZollShape_0xb8d258e0', 'Reifen_18ZollShape_0xb724fae0', 'Reifen_18ZollShape_0xb7247230']

William Reynish commented

2019-03-18 19:55:06 +01:00

Added subscriber: @WilliamReynish

William Reynish commented

2019-03-18 19:55:06 +01:00

Cannot reproduce the crash here on macOS, even on a laptop with only 8 gigs of ram.

Bastien Montagne commented

2019-03-18 21:54:21 +01:00

Added subscriber: @mont29

Ray molenkamp was assigned by Bastien Montagne

2019-03-18 21:54:21 +01:00

Bastien Montagne commented

2019-03-18 21:54:21 +01:00

@ZedDB @machieb #62706 has been fixed now, here is a much smaller file, with all the orphaned meshes removed:

Rims_crash.blend

And cannot reproduce the crash either here, not even a single message in the console with a Debug build with asan enabled...

So guess we need a windows dev to check on that one.

@ZedDB @machieb #62706 has been fixed now, here is a much smaller file, with all the orphaned meshes removed: [Rims_crash.blend](https://archive.blender.org/developer/F6846067/Rims_crash.blend) And cannot reproduce the crash either here, not even a single message in the console with a Debug build with asan enabled... So guess we need a windows dev to check on that one.

blender-admin commented

2019-03-19 10:04:23 +01:00

This issue was referenced by 7ba82f3f0a

This issue was referenced by 7ba82f3f0a848aedcc0f3b3f73a429f740792dbe

Campbell Barton commented

2019-03-19 10:18:59 +01:00

Changed status from 'Open' to: 'Resolved'

Campbell Barton closed this issue

2019-03-19 10:18:59 +01:00

Marcus Papathoma commented

2019-03-22 10:06:38 +01:00

@ideasman42: Thank you very much, this solved my problem. I can now open all the files that crashed before!

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Blender crashes when opening file - Older beta opens the file normal #62707